Soapland

Soapland

In this thread mostly mentioned was white gaijin guy, who cannot get in the soapland, but no one mentioned other race of gaijin, like South east Asian like me, will it be any different in treatment? After reading so many threads like this i had my own conclusion, the Japanese had their own thinking about foreigners, whether we(foreigners) like it or not.As we got our own thinking about the Japanese too.That's the fact.And we cannot change it.Its their country, we are just or maybe only visitor.
Before, i'm very interested in going to a place like this, to be honest. But now i know the limitation of being a foreigner.I just have to accept the fact..
But this may be bring me to the positive side of Japan, there's still many place of interest rather than brothels right ? ahaha👍 👍
 
As long as you dont act like an ***, you shouldnt have any problem Kool. Honestly - I worked myself up over whether or not people would be cool in Tokyo - the truth is. . .they could care less about you. Theyve too busy with their own lives to even stop to discriminate. Sure theyll try their best at some hand-picked English - but other than that - youre just another foreign tourist.

Dont even sweat it.
 
ArmandV said:
Getting back on topic: Who among us has been to a soapland?
BTW, not me.
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Not meee... Never been to Japan yet... Don't ask me the same question after the 22nd of September (after my return):p
 
GaijinPunch said:
One of my best friends is quite perhaps the horniest guy on the planet. He'd go out, and try to score. Usually he did. If he didn't, he'd go to "the shop" then head home. I think one time he was going out for some drinks w/ some friends and one of his friends brought his new girlfriend, who was actually one of the girls that worked there. O_O
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I wonder what your friend's reaction would be 😊
 
CC1 said:
I still contend that I have never had an establishment keep me out when I confronted them about it. But isn't the sign serving as protection for foreigners as well? I mean by not going in, you won't get a STD right? Much like heading the "Beware of Dog" sign will keep you from being bitten!😊
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I never thought about that. My approach is that people should be responsible enough to know the dangers of going to such establishments. I also do not think it is more dangerous for foreigners than for the Japanese.
I swear though the number of people who complain about not being able to go into a business drives me nuts. They always say "well, it's not that I want to go in, but it's the principle of the matter!" I guess if I opened up a shop in Tokyo and put a sign up that says "Murder House...We will kill you if you enter, chop you into little pieces and make soup of your remains!" "No Foreigners Allowed!" I would no doubt have people come up complaining that I wouldn't let them in...even if they knew that it would be the end of their life!😌
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Such a sign would almost certainly be illegal. If it isn't for the language used in a public place, it would for the type of activity you practice (murder) or for lying about the activity you practice (also illegal). What is more, you cannot just open a shop like that without government authorization, a licence, etc. (Japan is particularily strict about that).
We're usually talking about bars, hostess bars, ***** houses, pool halls that double as drug houses, and the lot...yet people complain that they can't go in...what?
It is rare that you find a "normal" place that excludes foreigners...but people still complain.
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What about hotels, bars, nighclubs, or even just real estate agencies ? Just check the poll about JREF members' experiences of discrimination in Japan. So far 1/3 of respondents have been refused entry to at least one restaurant, bar, nightclub, onsen or public bath because they were foreigners (and I am NOT one of them) and half have been refused accommodation for the same reason (and I am one of them). So as far as JREF members are concerned, real estate has the highest rate of "gaijin" refusal, more than the entertainment industry (I didn't poll the sex industry though).
 
koolkool said:
In this thread mostly mentioned was white gaijin guy, who cannot get in the soapland, but no one mentioned other race of gaijin, like South east Asian like me, will it be any different in treatment?
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Don't know. Usually the South-East Asians are already inside (as workers) 😊 Sorry about that (but it is partically true).

But this may be bring me to the positive side of Japan, there's still many place of interest rather than brothels right ? ahaha👍 👍
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So are brothels regarded as a major place of interest in your country ? (for Singapourians maybe ?) :?
 
Soaplannnd

Yes, i must admit that some South East Asians were already in Japan, many just like you said, as workers legally or illegally.Some treated nicely and some other dont..Some were racially abused and some other didnt..
And again i agree, brothels are not the main interest in visiting foreign countries👍 , it was but as i said there's a lot of places of interest in foreign country that will attract me rather than brothels.
But, as a man, a normal man, i find that this topic about soapland is very interesting👍 👍 ..
 
CC1 said:
I still contend that I have never had an establishment keep me out when I confronted them about it.
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There lies a problem already. Why should you've to "confront" anybody to be treated with the decency they'd afford to full-blooded japanese persons? Isn't that idiotic?

CC1 said:
But isn't the sign serving as protection for foreigners as well? I mean by not going in, you won't get a STD right?
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My goodness, and I thought I've seen it all. Finding virtue in something clearly racially discriminatory as an indirect benefit is indeed one of the most obtuse way of thinking. It's ranking up there with regarding a child rapist as a sexual liberator. For your sake, I hope you were joking because I'm starting to wonder about your sanity.

CC1 said:
I guess if I opened up a shop in Tokyo and put a sign up that says "Murder House...We will kill you if you enter, chop you into little pieces and make soup of your remains!" "No Foreigners Allowed!" I would no doubt have people come up complaining that I wouldn't let them in...even if they knew that it would be the end of their life!
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In most democratic countries genuinely respecting human rights, the act of putting up that kind of sign alone, would get you shut down and prosecuted for under ANTI-DISCRIMINATION laws. Apparently, a punishable offense with potential jailtime and a hefty fine.
 
Maciamo said:
What I understood from lu_bu1977's post about "romanticising Japan" about this thread is that you are sort of denying that racial discrimination exist in the sex industry, when it is fairly common knowledge.
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I didn't deny it at all, as a re-read of my post will reveal.

I merely pointed out that I think business considerations play a larger role than does discrimination.

Haven't you heard at least some Japanese say that STD's are only transmitted by gaijins ? I heard it enough times to have an answer ready for that : "What about all those married Japanese men who travel to South-East Asia to get cheap prostitutes, then go back to their wives as if nothing happened ? Aren't they responsible from bringing back STD's to Japan ?"
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The only STD for which I have heard such things is HIV/AIDS, and not even that for a very, very long time.
 
cursore said:
Not meee... Never been to Japan yet... Don't ask me the same question after the 22nd of September (after my return):p
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From this I am assuming that you plan on paying a visit to a soapland. Right?

Since this is your first visit to Japan, unless you have a local to guide you, I suspect you'll be spending more time trying to figure out how to get from point A to point B than enjoying decadent pleasures.
 
Maciamo said:
Maybe they can "reserve the right of entry" based on language skills or such things, but if it is just because someone is a foreigner it is usually called racism or racial discrimination (otherwise I don't know what that latter term means).
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Not so, I can reserve the right of entry to someone who is obviously drunk, or that I suspect of being a troublemaker without reguard to race. It is in the interest of protecting my business interests right?
 
Maciamo said:
Such a sign would almost certainly be illegal. If it isn't for the language used in a public place, it would for the type of activity you practice (murder) or for lying about the activity you practice (also illegal). What is more, you cannot just open a shop like that without government authorization, a licence, etc.
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Maciamo, you take everything so seriously! It was meant to point out that no matter what the establishment, if there were a sign out front refusing entry, some people would cry racism just to gain entry...even though they do not want to really enter, nor do they wish to conduct business.
 
ArmandV said:
From this I am assuming that you plan on paying a visit to a soapland. Right?
Since this is your first visit to Japan, unless you have a local to guide you, I suspect you'll be spending more time trying to figure out how to get from point A to point B than enjoying decadent pleasures.
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Meee? Nooo I'm too stingy for thatﾂ…
Jokes apart I think a standard bar as leisure will do me fine.

It is strange people always worry about me going somewhere but I never worry about orientation, at least in Europeﾂ… Japan will be fun maybe I'll get lost big time
 
cursore said:
Meee? Nooo I窶冦 too stingy for that窶ｦ
Jokes apart I think a standard bar as leisure will do me fine.
It is strange people always worry about me going somewhere but I never worry about orientation, at least in Europe窶ｦ Japan will be fun maybe I窶冤l get lost big time
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Tokyo can be daunting for the newbie, but after a while one gets the hang of it.

I have an easier time navigating around Tokyo than I do the O'Hare Airport area of Chicago.
 
Mikawa Ossan said:
(1) I pressed a little,and it turns out that if I happened to be Asian and speak Japanese,I wouldn't be denied,but since I was white,no dice.Blatant racial discrimination.

(2) It's much better not to frequent such establishments in the first place,in my opinion.
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(1) This confirmed exactly what my East Asian male friends ( they've had brief stay in Japan or visits there ) told me.

(2) Good common sense,get a local girlfirend or wife instead.
 
It is amazing that we're already at 5 pages on a thread that's only two days old. Over a hundred posts and look at the number of views!
 
The good ol days !

Back in 1970 in Fukuoka they were called" steam bathes" by us servicemen. You went and got a nice quick bath and a darn good body massage where they made a big deal of popping your fingers and toes. Anything extra was up to the girl on how much to charge , but back then it was a stright 10,000 yen; a great way to sober up before going back to base. Most of the girls were good looking and friendly. For about 10,000 yen more, you could get a "quick" release of tension. I never heard any service guy brag of anything more then "oral" and we never would believe him on that. A hand job was the best most foreigners ever got back then. Also, back then $1 US equaled 360 yen, so not a great expense. Most guys only went the first few monthes this route and then found a girlfriend.

Uncle Frank

:-)
 
CC1 said:
Not so, I can reserve the right of entry to someone who is obviously drunk, or that I suspect of being a troublemaker without reguard to race. It is in the interest of protecting my business interests right?
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Yes, that would be fine. You can refuse entry to any drunk or over-agitated people, as they could likely cause troubles. But refusing someone on no other ground than race is racism, by definition.

Maciamo, you take everything so seriously! It was meant to point out that no matter what the establishment, if there were a sign out front refusing entry, some people would cry racism just to gain entry...even though they do not want to really enter, nor do they wish to conduct business.
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I make have a more "serious" mindset than you, but why is that a problem ? I don't have to think long for a reply reading your posts. In this case, I thought your example would be illegal, and thus irrelevant, before I even finished reading your sentence. It's just how my mind works... Maybe I should have become a lawyer. :p
 
I've been out since yesterday, enjoying a nice escape to the coast from the summer heat. I'm glad to see that our friend lu_bu was dealt with properly. I'm worried that he might be a bit too paranoid, with all the name calling. It's not like we all circle around Mike when someone with a differing opinion comes along, but on most such matters I can expect Mike to say something blunt but reasonable. Racism may indeed be a factor in turning away foreign customers, but ignoring all other factors isn't very logical, and many people disagreeing with you doesn't always translate into some kind of mass-conspiracy. If there is indeed a cabal of Mike Cash-cheerleaders that I'm supposedly a member of, I at least want my bumper sticker.

As for myself, if I found myself so low to go to a house of ill repute and got turned away (for whatever reason), I'd probably thank my lucky stars and find some other way to relax.
 
soap laaand

Guysssss...try www.martini.ne.jp/nightlife pls somebody help me reading it ahaha👍 👍
 
If this topic is about what i think it's about, it's a little disturbing that it gets more attention than other threads around here...
 
It's really not that difficult to understand.

kohlrak said:
If this topic is about what i think it's about, it's a little disturbing that it gets more attention than other threads around here...
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Two words: Sex sells!
 
This isnt the most sexually explicit thread ever posted here, we've had at least one about our own sexual exploits I reckon, if memory serves me correctly.

As I recall that one was generally met with humour and good natured contributions.

Some jreffer's like to brag about their conquests. 😊
 
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