Sexuality

[Mars Man]

homosexuality mars man san is a mental state of mind, not biological!
anything mental can be changed....
so why not strait the mental disorder rather than accepting it (no insult was ment)

Believe me, scorpion da black san, no insult was taken at all !! I have no bad feelings about you, as a person, at all. You are incorrect in your assertion, however. It has very well been shown that sexual orientation is indeed both a genetic determination AND a biological (chemical build and circumstance) determination, neither altered nor affected by environment and personal history in most cases.

OK...I will be having a lot more time in the up-coming week because today was the last day of classes at the uni. I'll spell it out in reports and conclusions reached in case studies by those who do the work in that field, so that you can come to understand what the reality is.

In that I have no bad feelings for you, I do hope, therefore, that you take the time to make an effort to study these case studies, papers, and reports.

 

[Hopeanuoli]

I see myself as straight, considering I fancy David Tennant *drools*

 

[Chi65]

So for someone to say that I am immoral, and corrupt, and damned to burn in hell for all eternity because of that one, little insignificant trait....I just have to laugh, really, because if I'm going to hell than so are you, buddy.

There is no such hell anyhow except the one, that humans make up to frighten each other, thus more a psychological matter (same with heaven), except a natural desaster, not made by man, but then it has nothing to do with beliefs and hits everyone equally, but especialy those, whose instincts don't work anymore (many animals can feel many such desasters way ahead for good reasons).
To use this concept for sexuality has been made up for ages, with different outcomes, according to the present rulers, human rulers, by the way, or manmade gods, "made" fit to fight their "properties", which is the very same.

 

[Haruspex]

This is how I view this all, even though im completely heterosexual:
Im only afraid of death in this life, homosexuality can't cause death, so since I don't have anything against it by gut, there's no reason for me to hate it.

 

[scorpion da black]

madam papillon
why would you go on and bring up religion and call our holly book a book older thatn my grand parents??
i never brought up religion in non of my discussions on this thread
all i debated was a different view of scientific and philosophic views concerning this matter....but you chose to go on insulting.
mars man on the other hand gave a really great debate, and he said he will provide scientific case studies that i will gladly and seriousely read...perhaps i would have a change of heart!
you chose a wrong way trying to convince someone madam papillon chan

 

[karlyboo]

Mars Man is obviously particularly patient, like most good moderators.

 

[Haruspex]

Mars Man is obviously particularly patient, like most good moderators.

You're saying I wouldn't make a good moderator? WHAAT? AM I NOT PATIENT? Lol, ok, that was a poor joke wasn't it?
I love this murderous aura. Teh evul about. This is how a good topic is.

 

[karlyboo]

You're saying I wouldn't make a good moderator? WHAAT? AM I NOT PATIENT? Lol, ok, that was a poor joke wasn't it?
I love this murderous aura. Teh evul about. This is how a good topic is.

More directed at me than anybody else. I program online communities but actually moderating them is something else. Usually takes me about 10 minutes before I start considering making people eat their own keyboards... I'm nice like that

 

[Kyoto Returnee]

You're saying I wouldn't make a good moderator? WHAAT? AM I NOT PATIENT? Lol, ok, that was a poor joke wasn't it?
I love this murderous aura. Teh evul about. This is how a good topic is.

What's a "murderous aura?"

Is that something to do with your stand oujt signature photo?

 

[Haruspex]

What's a "murderous aura?"

Is that something to do with your stand oujt signature photo?

What's a "signature photo?" Is that a photo made with letters?

You either mean
a, My avatar.
b, My personal photo.

In case a, is the correct one. He is called Eddy, you could say he's the "mascot" of Iron Maiden (please don't ask what Iron Maiden is).

In case it is b, that is correct. Its a cat, one of the three I have. She is called Mao, and although, you could mistake her for an ordinary cat, I must tell you she's rather fearsome. The gutted mouses and other small mammals around our entrance can prove it.

Hehe when I was playing World of Warcraft, I had this guild, I set up everything for it, including a forum. So everything was going fine, people started applying, among them some morons too. And the problems began when I told them that they're retarded and they should apply for a cremation rather than a guild. Needless to say, the guild soon fell apart.

Btw, we're all waiting the argument from the contra-homosexual camp. Arguments anyone?

 

[A ke bono kane kotto]

We don't have gay people here. I have never met any. I believe this has to do with the fact that the Spaniards massacred everyone that wasn't a good Catholic during the Holy Inquisition. You can't be Catholic and gay. The Church prohibits it. Gayness being hereditary (so do doctors say), gay genes have been wiped out of this region. If they weren't killed, they fled to the Netherlands or the USA, which explains that both countries have so many of them now.

 

[Haruspex]

The Church prohibits it. Gayness being hereditary (so do doctors say)

Don't you think they'd go extinct that way?

 

[A ke bono kane kotto]

Don't you think they'd go extinct that way?

Not if they make babies to hide the truth from their parents.

 

[Haruspex]

A deciding factor is how one was brought up. The environment, the emotions received from relatives and such.

 

[scorpion da black]

wow catholics rock

(not talking about massacres..just kidding )

 

[Chi65]

...and seemed to have taken normal tenderness away from some men, who then thought, that it belongs to being gay or so.
I knew enough catholics, who right away disagreed in showing tender feelings as male, also towards women, saying, that they are not gay, thus why!
I gave up on them, they were unberarable. And then they became extremely dissappointed, if I had other and tender friends instead of them.
They had no idea, what they were missing and were sticking to alcohol later on, which surely did not solve the problem either, in contrary.

No wonder, there is so much underlying aggressions in many. But I wonder, when some men will wake up...

 

[Haruspex]

Whether a man choses to be tough, sensitive or whatever is entirely up to him. Its the same boring debate again. "Ohh why don't you men have a heard? Why don't you let your tears flow.... why no?"
You know why? Cause its in our genes. Being the ones who were expected to hunt(and that wasn't as easy as some people think it is), go to war, always be on guard, men became tough, much has changed since those times, but still whats in our nature can only be changed a but for now. I don't agree with being tough to the point of being rude, but still, men crying all the time for no apparent reason, and generally being oversensitive isn't something that is acceptable either.

 

[Tsuyoiko]

...and seemed to have taken normal tenderness away from some men, who then thought, that it belongs to being gay or so.

I heard that, in the west at least, those attitudes started because of the Oscar Wilde trial. Since the trial was so public, men became afraid to show any affection towards other men for fear of falling under suspicion. Seems plausible.

 

[Chi65]

For example, as for one reason.
And it does not have to do with crying men, if thats all(??) someone understands about feelings (although it is part of it). I don't believe at all that it is just genes, because in several other cultures tenderness is very well a wanted part of men also, they are even seen as uncomplete and not grown up, if they can't stand up for their feelings.
Thats a lacking, every psychologist can tell you, that it is going kind of underground with a "second life" or/and agressions.
Someone who accepts and trains that sensitive part in him could be much more relaxed and warmhearted and smiling, also because the social life is probably much easier even.
I have seen many men in China, holding hands, for example, that does not mean, that they are gay!
Also men kissing each other (on the cheeks!) for welcome also belongs to this.
We did have some eastern films someyears ago, as another example, that dealt with crying men, it was very interesting indeed!

But I meant the relation to women too. If some men shrug by simple tender touch, starting with the cheeks, one should be carefull as a women.

Its often enough the upbringing and thus not being used to it, because of false behaviours and prejuduces about it. But it does not mean, that there is no general need, nor gene-related. To me, THAT is a prejudice, coming from such older stories, right.
Intensity and fearlessness, and inner strength from this, does come from masterings, not denyings of the senses. Thats an entirely different thing alltogether.

We had some polls lately in Germany, about what women would like men to show much more often. It was on the first place, far above everything else: Tenderness, and I think, on the third place: Humour
That speaks clear language to me and mirrors my own experiences.

 

[Haruspex]

Although I don't like the whole kissing men part, I don't like the holding hands part either, but I do agree with the humor issue. Men must have some twisted black humor eh?

 

[karlyboo]

wow catholics rock
(not talking about massacres..just kidding )

I don't find that even remotely funny.

Gayness being hereditary (so do doctors say), gay genes have been wiped out of this region.

Because gay parents have gay children the same way straight parents have straight children?

 

[scorpion da black]

i was just kidding give it a rest bro
talking about lighting the air a bit.

so homosexuals are more sensetive than other people?

 

[Chi65]

Very often, so are many artists, and many switch to find out about their homosexuality by finding another one who does not play the agressive part for women, for example. I know some very nice ones, both, as couples, but also nice to women, even if without sexual urges, which can at times be wonderfull for a woman who suffered under agressions and thus thinks all men are alike.
But there are the harder ones too. You find all parts in them as well, yet the more silent ones you do not see so often, thus many think, its only the loud ones (because they appear more often in the media), which is very wrong.
One does not have to like the kissing and handholding parts, but some of them do, and there is nothing wrong with it then, they harm no one. I just smile, if they like it. . .

Yes, and I found a lot of humour around them, which was another wonderfull aspect.
But in general, humour is great, also in heteros, and why not black humour? See the thread about most liked japanese men, hehe, I am one for those black humoured as well, as you can see there, they are particularly funny! Its quite a bonus indeed! They won our Berliner hearts quickly (but are not homosexual to my knowledge), but also, because they can be real sweethearts on the other side. Its that interesting range, you know.
And they don't mind looking ugly/nasty as well, which is at least as funny.

Perfect (onesided) heroes with killing machines and no laughter are boring in the long run.
Face it, men!

 

[scorpion da black]

i so agree to your last part chi65

 

[Haruspex]

Perfect (onesided) heroes with killing machines and no laughter are boring in the long run.
Face it, men!

I agree too, obviously the Terminator kind will die out.