Selfish Pigs

mikecash said:
Sure, you could find people of any nationality and in any nation who would not render aid in such situations. I think we all know and realize that.

There are two problems, though.

1. We live in Japan (some of us do, anyway) so that is the focus of our remarks.

2. Anecdotal accounts of Japanese offering assistance to fellow Japanese strangers are, so far as I can tell, nonexistant.
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If possible, most seem to seek out the police as a first resort, such as in this story. Although it isn't clear whether anyone at the stop or on the bus tried to be of practical assistance or not.

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Nuts...

How do I miss these great threads when they're really bangin?

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I once saw a girl get pushed over in Osaka station and then get helped back up by strangers. Does that count?
 
For Crying Out Loud

I did not get dumped. I wasn't even in love with her. She was a good person but fairly insignificant in the grand scheme of things. I am not bitter about that, as you seem to be saying. She was at about 10 girls and 4 relationships ago. I merely mentioned her because of her attitude. If the situation were reversed and she had said something that was true about my family, or my fellow countrymen, I certainly wouldn't break up over that. I just had to think a little bit to remember her name. It is her role in that particular experience that is important to the story. Don't try to psycho analyze me until you know the whole story. Don't read in things that are not there. If you think Japan is a perfect place, good for you. Go on living in your fantasy world. Leave the worlds problems for the grown ups.

There is a time and a place for everything. Including talking about cold-hearted people.

I realize that there are a lot of foreigners who also would have done nothing. And those are the self-serving, no integrity, wavering in the wind kind of people who usually become Japanopholes with their rose-colored fantasy glasses on. If you are too cowardly to address a problem and choose to sweep it under the rug, then you certainly wouldn't have the minimal human decency to help a needy stranger.

With your Yokohama story you seem to be saying that because this lady gave this guy some pants, it somehow proves that the Japanese are actually compassionate people. But this is a rare case and furthermore she probably got tired and embarassed about looking at his arse.
 
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In the case of the lady on the Chuo/Sobu line. The lady was there before and after I got on. Which means that they all had the opportunity to jump off the train and go for help but didn't. Nobody calling for help on their ketai either.

On the Chiyoda line case, it all happened pretty quickly so there was bo time for calling for help but only time for the minimal effort it took to pull this 50 kilo lady 2 meters to prevent her from being killed.

And absolutley nowhere in any of my posts did I say that no Nihonjin ever helped a stranger in the history of time. I just told my story.
 
Serpico said:
If Shintaro Ishihara can publicly refer to me and other foreigners as "hairy foreigners" then surely, I should be allowed to tell my story without worrying about being censored.
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I am a hairy foreigner. -Wookies Rule-
I agree you shouldn't be censored. You point of view is just as valid as the next mans. As I said the only problem I had with your posts was the way they were written. I felt as if you were shouting them at me and not even going to take in account of what other people thought. I do agree that Japan suffers from racism and the people do seem to have a hive mentality. It could have been put across better than the original posts.
I should also point out you are in a foreign country and the morals and society of other countries are different to your own.
 
did you even finish reading my post before you started your diatribe
i dont know why you think i think japan is a perfect place
maybe you should read the post again
and my point about the pants was that not all japanese are the same
but you are trying to say that my point about the pants was that all japanese (the Japanese) are compassionate and therefore all the same which is the opposite of the point i made

i wasnt trying to psychoanalyse you, but it doesnt take a psychoanalyst to see that you are angry

and whatever if you got dumped or didnt get dumped
really it doesnt matter in the grand scheme of things as you say

but here you are with your superior attitude saying that a whole race (and/or nationality) is inferior to you, in matters of the heart (and by this i dont just mean love) it seems
yet you are here saying that your ex-girlfriend is fairly insignificant
and you seem to be going through girls like toilet paper and you want us all to believe you are warm and compassionate just because you did something that is common decency from where i come from

and you try to convey me as immature?

as i said in the previous post ive been here for a while and i ve seen the same **** so i understand your anger but i find it hard to believe that a mature person would judge a whole race/country so quickly

anyway, im not going to argue the point
if you want to believe that all japanese are cold-hearted people go ahead
its your choice but if you are as mature as you claim to be im sure youll give it some more thought

(btw - she could very well have been embarassed by the mans arse, I might never know)
but another yokohama story b4 i go
i read this article a while back so i dont remember the details very well
but there was a man who had recently retired and he had some money and as he was still a young healthy (70 year old ) man he wanted to keep working
he lived by himself in a big (japan standards) house
he decided to help the homeless people of yokohama and some of them moved in and some of them cleaned up their act and he helped them get jobs
others of course opted out and a few occasionally opted back in etc. etc.
of course id ont know his motives but i like to believe his motives were compassion for his fellow man
just like i want to believe yours were compassion
but i may be wrong,
and it wouldnt be the first time
 
Judging from the title of this thread you must've been angry when you wrote this. I agree with Mycernius, the way you wrote it seemed like you were being anti-japanese or something. I'm not saying you are, if I were in your position I would have been just as angry. You made some points about japanese society and the only thing I want to say is the only way for that society to change is if they acknowladge what's wrong.
 
There are so many foreign people who go to Japan to just take advantage of the girls, and you try to tell me that Japanese men are all pigs??I think you are the one with the rose glasses.

Its no secret that Japanese are the worst racists in the world and if you dont believe me just check on the forums on the internet.
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Got any prove to back that up ? I'm sure there are more racists in America then Japan ;-)

If u live in Japan and think it's oh so bad, then why don't you just leave ? I hate people who visit/live in another country and talk bad about it all the time.If u don't like the way things are, go back to your own country, where everyone loves u and helps u ! (like if...)

I'm with Iron Chef on the fact this kind of speech is not approriate on this forum.This is a forum for anything Japanese, also negative things, but not in the way you present them to us.Having an opinion is ok, telling your stories too.But ranting and badmouthing every Japanese thing/person goes too far !! I bet u haven't been in other places in Japan nor other places in the world like India for instance, where people are treated like **** by their own people.

There is so much discrimination,hate,rape,crime etc. in America on daily basis.But nooooo..that's taboo for the Americans, let's not talk about that right? :okashii: My guess is that you are an American (as they are known to rant about just every goddamn thing) whoops...was that generalizing ? my bad :hihi: btw: Japan is one of the safest countries with a low crime rate...and YOU are telling us Japan is bad :?

I'd rather live in a safe, nice country with Japanese people of wich some are selfish than a country where every second u can get killed by a junk,psycho or whatever...
 
This thread is going the way I thought it would, people are starting to badmouth other people. Mind you a lot of people are looking at this thread. If you wanted to create controversy Serpico, I say you have succeeded.
BTW do you have anything positive to say about Japan and its people?
 
Mycernius said:
This thread is going the way I thought it would, people are starting to badmouth other people. Mind you a lot of people are looking at this thread. If you wanted to create controversy Serpico, I say you have succeeded.
BTW do you have anything positive to say about Japan and its people?
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His whole point is to badmouth Japan, I wouldn't expect anything positive from him actually.He's frustrated, and wanted to vent his anger, and the best place is ofcourse a place where a lot of people visit with Japan as the subject ! He wants reactions, he can get them, with all the negative feelings alongside ;-) Those are the consequences when u start a useless thread like this.

I don't want to generalize, but most of the time it's the American population who rants about other countries how bad they are :souka: Although they live in a same environment...maybe they want to believe America is better by badmouthing other countries/cultures :? (this goes not for EVERY American, but for a great deal of the population in my opinion, so don't feel offended :) )
 
RockLee said:
I don't want to generalize, but most of the time it's the American population who rants about other countries how bad they are :souka: Although they live in a same environment...maybe they want to believe America is better by badmouthing other countries/cultures :? (this goes not for EVERY American, but for a great deal of the population in my opinion, so don't feel offended :) )
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You shouldn't just assume that. Even if you're right, the assumption is a little insulting.

@Serpico....
I commend you for taking the time to help people who needed it, however, I don't like your attitude. You have approached the people on this forum in a contemptuous and confrontational way. I have had no dealings with you. But when you make it seem that you view all Moderators here as your enemy, you can see how that's not going to help you make many friends here. Moderators are not the enemy. Our job is to make this place good for everyone. Your personal attacks on members have no place here. When you insult other people, expect it to be deleted. You may have some points, but you need to learn to communicate them in a way that isn't hostile to others. The reactions you've gotten from Moderators here isn't because they were trying to be the "thought police" but rather because you brought it upon yourself through your confrontational and unacceptable behavior. Clean up your act and you will find this a very open minded, respectful, and courteous place. Continue to use profanity and attack other members and you will no longer be welcomed here.
 
I don't want to generalize, but most of the time it's the American population who rants about other countries how bad they are :souka: Although they live in a same environment...maybe they want to believe America is better by badmouthing other countries/cultures :? (this goes not for EVERY American, but for a great deal of the population in my opinion, so don't feel offended :) )
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Opinions count for so little in this regard, particularly for foreigners with little if any years spent living around the country, it's hardly worth responding to anymore. But as long as we're on the subject, it is my sense that Europeans on this forum criticize the US and Japan much more than countries....what does that prove ? Anyone is welcome to analyze the data if they want. Although this really has has been gone over so many times before....:bluush:
 
Brooker to RockLee said:
You shouldn't just assume that. Even if you're right, the assumption is a little insulting.
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I'm with Brooker on this one. You are always a little too quick to jump on "Americans". It does come off as insulting.
 
mikecash said:
The thing which Serpico talked about in his original post in this thread and which I talked about in the link I provided were not about how Japanese treat foreigners, nor even about how they treat fellow Japanese whom they know personally. The thing which is maddening and which can make it very hard to maintain a positive opinion is the way they treat Japanese strangers. It has been my experience that they are more likely to be kind to foreign strangers, perhaps for the same reason that people are kind to strange dogs, provided the dog doesn't look vicious.
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This a great rewording of serpico's so why don't we pick it up from here ?

1. people and dogs
Strange dogs are often stray dogs, lost, hungry, or both. The dog looks into your eyes and finding compassion is attracted to you for a little love and maybe a meal, or just even a pat on the head. Whereas one's own dog could be a high-bred mutt after the familiarity. Just goes to show how we mistreat ourselves.

2. Japanese & Americans
I believe true friendship between a Japanese and an American can often get distorted by the bigger relationship of loser-winner. The inferiority stemming from defeat is taken as hurtful by the Japanese, and hatred is one way of balancing out the imagined inequality.

3. people & people
A feeling of weakness can exhibit itself in hyper-independence as a counterweight or cover. So perhaps a Japanese may want to solve all personal problems on one's own; not asking, not giving. Lonely world, isn't it ?
 
Come on, let's not all get nationalistic, look who's talking ?!?
Who's my favorite US president ? Kennedy was inspiring.
Who's my second best ? Carter for human rights.
Who's next ? ???
I hope that makes some of you feel better. :?
Okay let's not equate people with the land or the president. They are actually separate things I think. :-)
 
lexico said:
Okay let's not equate people with the land or the president. They are actually separate things I think. :-)
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Yes, they are. Definitely.
 
lexico said:
Come on, let's not all get nationalistic, look who's talking ?!?
Who's my favorite US president ? Kennedy was inspiring.
Who's my second best ? Carter for human rights.
Who's next ? ???
I hope that makes some of you feel better. :?
Okay let's not equate people with the land or the president. They are actually separate things I think. :-)
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Not to take this off topic, but a lot of people didn't like Carter when he was in office, but afterward his popularity grew!
 
Elizabeth said:
Opinions count for so little in this regard, particularly for foreigners with little if any years spent living around the country, it's hardly worth responding to anymore. But as long as we're on the subject, it is my sense that Europeans on this forum criticize the US and Japan much more than countries....what does that prove ? Anyone is welcome to analyze the data if they want. Although this really has has been gone over so many times before....:bluush:
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Oh I was in the impression that it's mostly the Americans who take that for their account(as more than 80% is American on this board and obviously in the majority)...I have no personal grudge against America whatsoever, I neither shouldn't have any, as I know a great deal of Americans on this forum who I see as friends :) But the fact is that it's in most of the cases an American who starts ranting about Japan.Remember that guy with his drugs last year ?? It's either Chinese(lately a lot),Koreans(I know at least 1 :p...don't feel offended Lexico ^.^, not talking about you) or Americans in the time I have been on this board who ranted or badmouthed Japanese, and Americans are the biggest group...(Except Maciamo perhaps...but he also says good things and he thinks about what he says before he makes a rant/remark) I hardly see any Europeans complaining ? :? It's not that I want to say every American is this way (by far !!)...but I can't help it if this is the case that it's mostly an American.


I'm with Brooker on this one. You are always a little too quick to jump on "Americans". It does come off as insulting.
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I try to remain neutral, but if it's how I think about it..and it's the way it is.If Japan would be to blame , I would say so too.And why is it that if I say something about America every American thinks I'm prejudiced? If it's true, you should accept it, even if you don't like it.You should be able to take criticism against your country.

I was ranting more directly against Serpico because he thinks Japan is all that bad, and he is so much more human,mannered,smart etc. When he talks about Japan you people say it's not correct, but when I say something about America you feel offended? Why ? I just did the same thing as him , except I didn't write every American off as ignorant.Just said it's mostly an American who rants on this forum or who is complaining. :okashii: Don't use double standards please, as I think that's insulting
 
3. people & people
A feeling of weakness can exhibit itself in hyper-independence as a counterweight or cover. So perhaps a Japanese may want to solve all personal problems on one's own; not asking, not giving. Lonely world, isn't it ?
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If this were a problem to be solved it wouldn't be one, everyone would be extremely methodical, organized, consultative, planful....the rub here is that emergency situations require immediate action, someone to call out orders and may possibly result in social embarrassment. :bluush:
 
RockLee said:
when I say something about America you feel offended? Why ? I just did the same thing as him , except I didn't write every American off as ignorant.Just said it's mostly an American who rants on this forum or who is complaining. :okashii: Don't use double standards please, as I think that's insulting
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The offensive part comes from the fact that nothing being discussed here has anything to do with America and you just randomly assumed that this guy must be American just because he was being annoying. You don't see how that might be offensive to other Americans?

That would be like saying you saw a bad driver and assumed he/she was Asian because so many of the bad drivers you've seen were Asian. There's no double standard. You were making a guess and a very broad generalization when there's really no evidence for or against it either way. I don't think you'd like it if every time someone did/said something stupid people just assumed he/she was from your country.
 
That was the first comment I made in this thread. I didn't say anything about what serpico had said, and I hardly ever say anything about what anyone has said on here. I try to be diplomatic about things, but it just seems that you are always very quick to jump on Americans. You assume he's from the U.S. just because he's complaining about something, which I think is a little hasty.

And as for criticism, I don't mind the country being critcized. In fact, I'm usually the first to criticize it and say that I'd rather be living in Europe. I just have a problem with the manner in which you convey your thoughts. It just sounds very condescending.

Anyway...on with the show...
 
I was ranting more directly against Serpico because he thinks Japan is all that bad, and he is so much more human,mannered,smart etc. When he talks about Japan you people say it's not correct, but when I say something about America you feel offended? Why ? I just did the same thing as him , except I didn't write every American off as ignorant.Just said it's mostly an American who rants on this forum or who is complaining. :okashii: Don't use double standards please, as I think that's insulting
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Rocklee, If you have lived in America over an extended period and can describe your experiences in vivid detail as Serpico did without being a rant, then you would be taken seriously. When your only examples are a handful Americans from an internet forum who may or may not criticize out of proportion to their numbers here....well, let's just say it comes off as much more ridiculous. :sorry:
 
Brooker said:
The offensive part comes from the fact that nothing being discussed here has anything to do with America and you just randomly assumed that this guy must be American just because he was being annoying. You don't see how that might be offensive to other Americans?
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I'm doing the same thing as this "loud mouthed jerk".Now position yourself in the shoes of a Japanese person getting hammered by a foreigner who basicly knows nothing about the country, calls him a lozer with a small **** , only sees the bad things and thinks he is omnipotent and superior to the Japanese.He should know that it's the same **** back in the good old U.S of A or any other country.My assumption is also based on the fact it's usually an American who starts this kind of rant.Did I ever say anything bad about Americans in my posts ?? No I did not.I only made a generalization that it's mostly an American, and I told you before I don't mean to insult Americans, nor call them loud mouthed jerks(never said anything like that anyway and didn't suggest that either).Just stated they are mostly the base of arguments.Nothing more...And like I told u, I was aiming at this clown...not the whole damn USA :/
 
wow..... this isnt going good here....

why cant people stop fighing about this kind of things... why do people always use BOXES... american this, japanese this, european this...

people,, take a beer( or wine), and relax a bit.... well at least i do! dont fight like this....
 
Elizabeth said:
Rocklee, If you have lived in America over an extended period and can describe your experiences in vivid detail as Serpico did without being a rant, then you would be taken seriously
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Until now he didn't do anything else than ranting , I fail to understand your view on ranting I'm afraid. Even if he lived in Japan or any other place for an extended time, that still doesn't mean he knows every person or how things are throughout Japan does it?
So we should take him serious because he had a ****** time and the place isn't like he dreamed? that's rediculous !!

When your only examples are a handful Americans from an internet forum who may or may not criticize out of proportion to their numbers here....well, let's just say it comes off as much more ridiculous. :sorry:
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Elizabeth, I never talked about the rest of America did I ? I talked about this board and it's members.I would appreciate if u would take me serious, because I am.
 
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