Question about sugiru form

itchygo · 27 Oct 2015

Let's say I want to say I watched too much TV. Do i say misugiru? I know with the i and na form all I have to do is remove the i and the na and replace them with sugiru. But with the verbs, it's weird. Taberu can be tabesugiru. But unlike taberu, where you just replace the ru, nomu would be nomisugiru. I have to change the mu to mi and then add sugiru. It just seems very random. Someone help me please.

lanthas · 27 Oct 2015

For verbs, it's masu-stem + すぎる. たべ-ます -> たべすぎる, のみ-ます -> のみすぎる. Didn't your textbook explain this?

itchygo · 27 Oct 2015

lanthas said:
For verbs, it's masu-stem + すぎる. たべ-ます -> たべすぎる, のみ-ます -> のみすぎる. Didn't your textbook explain this?

Nope, my textbook shows some examples like what to do with na and i adjectives. It will show certain examples. But I know sometimes the grammers have to be adjusted depending on ru verbs or u verbs, and it doesn't show example for every situation.

mdchachi · 27 Oct 2015

As Lanthas says, take the stem-form (or -masu form) and add sugiru.
So it's easy but it's a matter of understanding how the verbs work especially the fact that there are two major types of verbs, normal and the ru-verbs. And the third type which are exceptions. At the risk of confusing you even more, there's an article about this here: Language - Japanese Verb Conjugations | Japan Forum

itchygo · 28 Oct 2015

mdchachi said:
As Lanthas says, take the stem-form (or -masu form) and add sugiru.
So it's easy but it's a matter of understanding how the verbs work especially the fact that there are two major types of verbs, normal and the ru-verbs. And the third type which are exceptions. At the risk of confusing you even more, there's an article about this here: Language - Japanese Verb Conjugations | Japan Forum

Yeah, the most confusing part is the fact that there are some ru ending verbs in the normal verbs. Like kakaru. This is actually a normal verb, but it ends in a ru. And there is no way to distinguish between the two. I asked my teacher and she says, you just have to know.

lanthas · 28 Oct 2015

It's not that bad, often you *can* tell. If the verb ends in -aru, -oru or -uru, it's always a godan (-u) verb.
agaru -> agarimasu (not agamasu)
noru -> norimasu (not nomasu)
uru -> urimasu (not umasu)

On the other hand, if it ends in -eru or -iru, it's usually - but not always - an ichidan (-ru) verb.
sasaeru -> sasaemasu (but: kaeru -> kaerimasu)
miru -> mimasu (but: hairu -> hairimasu)

Again, I'd expect this to be basic stuff that's shown in the textbook really... And it surprises me even more that your teacher didn't point this out.

Toritoribe · 28 Oct 2015

itchygo said:
Yeah, the most confusing part is the fact that there are some ru ending verbs in the normal verbs. Like kakaru. This is actually a normal verb, but it ends in a ru. And there is no way to distinguish between the two. I asked my teacher and she says, you just have to know.

As already pointed out, you are misunderstanding. "Kakaru" is obviously a godan/consonant-stem/-u verb since it ends with "-aru". ALL ichidan/vowel-stem/-ru verbs end with "-iru" or "-eru". Indeed, not all verbs that end with "-iru" or "-eru" are always ichidan/vowel-stem/-ru verbs, so it sometimes might be confusing especially for beginner learenes, but the number of those kind of verbs are not so many. (The list in Wikipedia I linked below includes uncommon verbs that are usually not used in daily life.) You'll become to be able to distinguish even "kiru" ("to put on (clothing)" is ichidan, "to cut" is godan) by their kanji (着る vs 切る) or pitch accents by practice.
Japanese consonant and vowel verbs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

lanthas said:
Again, I'd expect this to be basic stuff that's shown in the textbook really... And it surprises me even more that your teacher didn't point this out.

Totally agree...

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