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Does this make sense?

駅は東口を出ました

At the station (station is known info.), I left through the East exit.

I know that these are correct (well, fairly sure)

駅の東口を出ました

駅の東口に出ました
 
Unless your name is "eki", no. You've marked the Station as the subject, and East Exit as the direct obejct. Thus = The Eki left through the East exit.
 
If you want to say left from for each of these, "kara" (東口から出ました) is most correct. を sounds either like the exit left or the exit was a room or substantial space that you left from、に like you're leaving for the exit (my reading anyway).
 
So couldn't he say something like 私は駅の東口で出ました。

I left by means of the station's east exit.

??? でしょう でしょう?
 
Damicci said:
So couldn't he say something like 私は駅の東口で出ました。

I left by means of the station's east exit.

??? でしょう でしょう?
I'm not sure, but I think you'd use "de" mostly for talking about something that happened at that particular exit when you left -- 'I left at the such and such exit and was met by my family' or something. 'By means of' is normally a method of operating to accomplish a particular goal, but I could be totally wrong on that....
 
GaijinPunch said:
Unless your name is "eki", no. You've marked the Station as the subject, and East Exit as the direct obejct. Thus = The Eki left through the East exit.

That's not quite correct. The "ha" marks "eki" as the topic of the sentence, not the subject. That sentence would make sense if you were answering the question "Where did you exit the station?" "(As for the station) I left through the east exit."
 
Mmmm, my translation of the other two would be this

駅の東口を出ました。 (I) came out of the east exit of the station.

駅の東口に出ました。 (I) arrived at the east exit of the station.
 
Arrived is "tuista." The second one translates "I left for the east exit."
 
Elizabeth said:
Arrived is "tuita." The second one translates "I left for the east exit."
This isn't exactly correct. "Arrived" isn't ideal either, but it does accurately reflect the fact that if you say 「東口に出た」, you're _already_ at the east exit.

More literally, 「東口に出た」 means something like "I came out (went out) into the east exit." Remember that the 東口/西口/北口/南口 of a station doesn't just refer to the actual exit doorway itself but can also include the general area outside that you'll find yourself in if you leave through that exit. That's why you'll often see stores or restaurants or the like that describe their location as, for example 新宿駅南口 -- in this case, there's a good chance that they're located just outside the station in the immediate vicinity of the 南口.

At any rate, in this case, both "X ni deta" and "X ni tsuita" are describing someone who's already at the location. The difference is that the latter is focusing on the act of arrival, while the former puts the focus on the fact that you've come/gone out of, or 'exited' somewhere (i.e. the station) to get to an open area.

(I'd just also like to say for the record here that 新宿駅, with its 南口 and its 新南口, confuses me to no end every time I go there. That place is like kryptonite to my normally decent sense of direction.)
 
(I'd just also like to say for the record here that 新宿駅, with its 南口 and its 新南口, confuses me to no end every time I go there. That place is like kryptonite to my normally decent sense of direction.)
The Central East Exit isn't much better, and my sense of direction is generally 方向音痴 although it has finally sunk in that I want the Sanchome exit -- in other words the one that isn't marked -- not the JR 東出口 that once past the turnstyle forces you through the ground transportation/visitor area and halfway around the building.
 
CorDarei said:
That's not quite correct. The "ha" marks "eki" as the topic of the sentence, not the subject. That sentence would make sense if you were answering the question "Where did you exit the station?" "(As for the station) I left through the east exit."

Errr... either way, his sentence did not make sense. If you say "Eki ha", you've obliterated the implied "watashi ha", making it an incorrect sentence.
 
GaijinPunch said:
Errr... either way, his sentence did not make sense. If you say "Eki ha", you've obliterated the implied "watashi ha", making it an incorrect sentence.
It didn't make sense primarily because of the particle confusion with "wo" and "kara." Two topics is clearly in good grammatical standing (even in the case both are marked -- although I'm told it can be confusing ), otherwise there would rarely be a use for "wa" at all with the implied "watashi (or whichever actor) wa." We need more context to judge in this instance whether 'eki' had been a topic under consideration before the exit was brought up or not which would make a more natural flow.
 
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