Paradox of the Atkins Diet

neofusion said:
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What's Wrong With Meat And Vegetables? That's What's In My Oden Pot.

Carbohydrates are not responsible for obesity, but an individuals response to refined carbohydrates may predispose them to obesity and diabetes.

How do sumo wrestlers get so big. Are they not genetically Chinese or Japanese or is it related to the special diet they consume in order to grow so large?

And some peoples bodies just do not respond favorably to regular diet high in refined sugars and starches. The American diet has changed drastically over 200 years, and not for the better. But I've also noticed a lot of "BIG" japanese people, especially the young girls, and I don't think the massive backpacks filled with honeybuns has nothing to do with it.
American society has over many years de-emphasized the importance of regular excercise early in life. Cancelling recess for elementary students in favor of math class, (in order to keep up the the Japanese students) and requiring only two scheduled hours of week of physical activities for high schoolers,(most of which is spend sitting around waiting for your turn in a "planned sports activity").

The Low Carbohydrate Way Of Eating is not some gimmick to lower calories, it is way to take advantage of a natural biological function that the body uses to survive. It really is not something that a person should do just to lose a few pounds for a month. If you check any textbook on brain physiology, it will say, [ in the absence of carbohydrates the brain (the most important organ, or so it considers itself) tells the body to start to break down fat. This creates food for the muscles to operate, but the brain needs special food which it must make from protein. So for example if you are fasting (eating nothing) your brain will make your body break down protein to feed it (muscles, like biceps and heart). By eating enough protein you will feed your brain and by eating some carbohydrates you are feeding your muscles enough sugars to not get fatigued, but they will mostly use the fat] that is my own paraphrasing.

As far as the comments "he died from his obesity" and "why take advise from a dead fat guy", here is a scenario for you:
Say your 72 year old grandmother fell down and broke her hip. (very serious and sometimes fatal) She is taken to the hospital where she is put on heavy doses of pain medication while they try to fix her. After 4 days of medication & intensive treatment she slips away and dies from complications. Now would that make your grandmother a NARCOTICS ADDICT? People would say, I don't see why anyone would let children around that old narco-fiend.
By saying that the 60 pounds of fluid weight gain. that happened after Dr. Robert Atkins accident, made him "obese" and was therefore typical of his life, is the same backwards logic as the grandmother scenario. Besides it is not polite to speak ill of the dead. :(

Dr. Atkins helped alot of people over his lifetime, and his unfortunate circumstances should not used as a "red herring". Think about it. How many people have become vegetarians to lose weight and end up fat and switching back. How many people have tried low-fat diets and ended up fat. It happens to some people and not others. But the genetically obese, the celiacs, prediabetics, and other people who have lost the weight and saved their own lives by following the Doctors advise are proof that the plan works for some much better than others. For those people, it is better to eat a little "unhealthily" and be alive, or eat "healthy" and be dead.
 
ashuri2 said:
quite frankly, this is one of the best forums i've been on in terms of how people generally respect other's opinions and beliefs. i left one for this one, and i was finally able to check my e-mail w/o having to worry i'd see a hate note or something. of course, people do tend to get mad occasionally, watch out! 😌


And it helps too. It's nice to have general debates and disagreements without it turning into a flame war. :-)
 
metqa said:
What's Wrong With Meat And Vegetables? That's What's In My Oden Pot.

Sounds yummy! 👍


metqa said:
How do sumo wrestlers get so big. Are they not genetically Chinese or Japanese or is it related to the special diet they consume in order to grow so large?

They get up at 6 am and begin training. training ends around 11 am and they bathe. Then they eat an enormous meal consisting of Chanko Nabe, a stew, with bowls of rice and washed down with beer or sake until bloated. Then from 1 pm to 4 pm they take a nap. They squeeze in another meal or two before bedtime.
 
Neofusion If their is not a Japanese restruants in your town then eat Chinese. Their is at least 2 Chinese resterants in every town in America. Chinese is juist as good. But Japanese food is better for one reason in my mind and that is the seafood.
 
Wakaranai said:
Neofusion If their is not a Japanese restruants in your town then eat Chinese. Their is at least 2 Chinese resterants in every town in America. Chinese is juist as good. But Japanese food is better for one reason in my mind and that is the seafood.

i'm surprised that there's no japanese resturant. the little town i'm in has about 20 chinese resturants and 7 japanese resturants, and it only has a population of 12,000, but then again there is a big college here that practically composes the entire town, so...
 
we have a japanese resterant near,but no japanese food stores....like a japanese grocery store. i wish there were...i wish i could afford to go out all the time to grab some japanese food. mmmmm....im gettin hungry....lol....thanx for the replies!
 
the atkins diet isn't meant for all people... it's for people who start out overweight or obese.... that's why you're supposed to have a doctor recommend it... Japanese don't tend to sit around as much (most people don't sit around as much as americans..) So carbs aren't an issue...

I'm a martial arts instructor, and staying in shape is really important to me, and I double as a fitness instructor, and I would never consider a diet of high fats!! (ask any athlete if they would..)

If you want to do any rigorous, short-term exercise, you need carbs, which are much simpler, and more readily available for the body to burn. If you consume a lot of fat, as per the atkins diet, the body just doesn't bother processing it, and maintains a much more stable metabolism... but it will not be muscular or athletic....

moderate carbs, protein, very LOW fat, and exercise are definitly the way to go if you can make the time!!
 
Agreed, Endarion. 👍 Yep, you need some carbohydrates(moderation, that is) to burn for high impact exercise. Ah, my running days...
 
before the mile-run test in physical education at school, the teacher would tell us to eat pasta pr something like that the night before so we'd have more energy to burn.
 
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