Need something translated

Damicci · 15 Dec 2005

Ok so (puts on thinking cap) If i say I want to do something with out using the conjugated ~たい form. there are different ways of doing this right?
Elizabeth's sig says something in the nature of I only wanted to talk with you
key point in my question is "wanted to talk"

I know 2 ways of saying this
話したかった I wanted to talk
話すことが欲しかった。 I wished/needed/wanted to talk
But you guys are saying it is also possible to use:
話がしたかった
I had no clue nor was this ever taught that you could use verbs in that manner. Opens a whole new world of speaking. LMAO
Is there a particular reason a person would use this form over others?

EDIT Nevermind Just saw Elizabeth's post. Ok I got it, thanks guys.
Does this make it an intransitive statement or the intransitive form of suru would have to be used along with ga?

Glenn · 15 Dec 2005

I've never heard 話すことが欲しい.

I think 話がしたい is more like "want to have a talk" and 話したい is more like "want to talk." That's just my gut feeling on that.

Also, 話 is a special case; you can't just take any old verb, turn it into Vmasu form, and have a noun. There are some that you can do that with, but I think the majority you can't.

Elizabeth · 15 Dec 2005

Glenn said:
I've never heard 話すことが欲しい.

I think 話がしたい is more like "want to have a talk" and 話したい is more like "want to talk." That's just my gut feeling on that.

I think 'just wanted to talk to you' is most natural in English....but when you really understand the Japanese you'll realize it's more pregnant with meaning -- closer to "I just wanted to say something to you." or "There was just something I wanted to talk about." Maybe that should have been the initial translation but learning is expected to be full of agony after all. Hoshii you just use for wanting someone else to talk. 話すことが欲しい should be hanashite hoshii....if I understand correctly what you're trying to say.
:sorry:

Damicci · 15 Dec 2005

なるほど。
Got it. thanks again everyone.

MeAndroo · 15 Dec 2005

Glenn said:
Wow, three of us at one time. Now that's service!

That looks to me more like "isn't there some funny story?" -- i.e. like you're in a movie rental store and you're asking for recommendations. Your English version I would say in Japanese more like この話はおかしくない（か）？／この話はおかしいじゃない（か）？

Oh you're right. I should have put a de in there. And changed nani ka to nanka. Hell, I should've made a different sentence.

Elizabeth · 15 Dec 2005

MeAndroo said:
Oh you're right. I should have put a de in there. And changed nani ka to nanka. Hell, I should've made a different sentence.

この話はおかしくない（か） I'm not positive but this looks to me like something you'd say after introducing the story. I'm not sure you can use it without a referent for 'kono,' what is 'this' before actually telling it ?

'Nani ka okashii hanashi ha nai no ka' I think I've seen somewhere (as a sample sentence in the goo dictionary) for "Isn't this something funny/strange" but I can't find it at the moment...They probably just left off "Kore wa" as the subject.

MeAndroo · 16 Dec 2005

Elizabeth said:
この話はおかしくない（か） I'm not positive but this looks to me like something you'd say after introducing the story. I'm not sure you can use it without a referent for 'kono,' what is 'this' before actually telling it ?

'Nani ka okashii hanashi ha nai no ka' I think I've seen somewhere (as a sample sentence in the goo dictionary) for "Isn't this something funny/strange" but I can't find it at the moment...They probably just left off "Kore wa" as the subject.

Well, the sentence I was thinking of was:

"Nanka okashii hanashii de ha nai no ka."

which would definitely be used after an introduction. Of course, now that I look at it, it seems odd to use nanka and use the de ha nai instead of ja nai.

Elizabeth · 16 Dec 2005

MeAndroo said:
Oh you're right. I should have put a de in there. And changed nani ka to nanka. Hell, I should've made a different sentence.

I asked a friend about the difference between (Isn't this something strange ?)
or (Isn't there a strange story ?) and as
I suspected in Japanese it's broad enough for both.

「何かおかしい事はないのか」という質問なので
「事」がsomething strangeの場合もあるしstrange story の
場合も考えられます。両方とも正しいです。

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