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Hiroshi66 said:
It was really Adolf Hitler who started the Nazi movement in 1923 in Bavaria. Prior to that, however, there were people who were anti-Weimar, but their names are unknown to me.
Not really, Hitler made the movement popular &, after becoming its leader, gave directions, but he didn't start it. It seems that only in 1919 he became interested in nationalist ideology & in 1920 he joined as 55th member the DAP (later NSDAP). The DAP was already anti-Jewish, xenophobic & what some call pseudo-Socialist before Hitler joined.
 
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Bossel ~ Well you know it better than I do. I know for a fact Hitler went to jail in 1923 for trying to start a revolt of some scale in Bavaria and in prison wrote Mein Kampf. However, the anti-Weimar movements were not generally right-wing. Some were quite reactionary and royalist.
 
Hiroshi66 said:
Bossel ~ Well you know it better than I do. I know for a fact Hitler went to jail in 1923 for trying to start a revolt of some scale in Bavaria and in prison wrote Mein Kampf. However, the anti-Weimar movements were not generally right-wing. Some were quite reactionary and royalist.
Yeah, & a lot of anti-Weimar forces were Communist/Socialist. The situation in Germany of that time was quite confused (up to 1930 there was even quite a number of "left-wing" Socialists in the NSDAP).
BTW, actually, in Germany reactionaries & royalists are mostly considered right-wing. The "right" wing spans quite wide & does not only consist of Nazis.

Hitler took the lead in the former DAP some months after he joined. You are right that he was one of the initiators of the 1923 coup attempt. He claimed to be the sole initiator, but he wasn't. Ludendorff, a "war hero", was another leading figure & much more popular at the time, but he wasn't sentenced for some strange reason.
 
Thanks for the clarification, bossel.

Weimar Germany is very difficult to completely analyze politically, socially, and economically. It is, however, a time of changing tides and great historical events.
 
@ Hiroshi66

the short revolt you speak of, is when hitler jumped up on a munich beer hall table, and shouted "The revolution has begun". Bossel, I bet you might have heard it from a relative, who lived in that era, in Munich area. I know he was arrested for that public outburst. He didnt found the Nazi regime, but he did popularize it, especially through the use of his "Brownshirts" legions of street gangs who followed him to see his will carried out.
 
Yes - but wasn't there a more serious attempt where Hitler actually attempted to stage a coup in Bavaria?
 
Martialartsnovice said:
the short revolt you speak of, is when hitler jumped up on a munich beer hall table, and shouted "The revolution has begun".
Hiroshi66 said:
Yes - but wasn't there a more serious attempt where Hitler actually attempted to stage a coup in Bavaria?
You're both talking of the same event, I think. On 8. Nov. 1923 Hitler stormed into a meeting of his "ally" Kahr & proclaimed the "National Revolution" & the forming of a "provisional national government". The next day Hitler & Ludendorff led a march to the Feldherrnhalle where the police stopped it by force. Ludendorff was arrested the same day, Hitler some days later.

Bossel, I bet you might have heard it from a relative, who lived in that era, in Munich area.
Nah, my relatives are all from the Netherrhine area. Anyway, my grandma was born in 1921, slightly too young to have any memory of that event. :p
 
yes, Japan has a so-called "nazi" like hate groups. They aren't BIG but they do exist... they are not mainstream and do not represent mainstream attitudes.

Manji symbol often gets confused with swastikas--->
 
Thanks for the clariffication, bossel. I know that Hitler was in prison and wrote Mein Kampf there. When did the Kaiser die?
 
Hiroshi66 said:
Thanks for the clariffication, bossel. I know that Hitler was in prison and wrote Mein Kampf there. When did the Kaiser die?
Kaiser Wilhelm II died 1941 in the Netherlands (his exile). He was not too fond of the Nazis, for what I know. His only aim seems to have been the re-installation of German monarchy. When the Nazis showed no intention of doing so, he decreed in his last will that he wanted to be buried in the Netherlands, in a military ceremony without Nazi-flags, funeral speech, singing or praying.

Neither seems Hitler to have been very fond of the Kaiser. In 1940 he forbade military officers any contact to Wilhelm.
 
Thanks - bossel.. because I remember hearing Hitler and the Kaiser having a meeting in 1940/41 in the Netherlands when the Kaiser asked Hitler what he had done so far - and Hitler saying that he had conquered France. The Kaiser had asked if he had conquered the UK and when Hitler shook his head, the Kaiser basically told him that without England - all his work is for naught. Did such an incident occur?
 
Hiroshi66 said:
because I remember hearing Hitler and the Kaiser having a meeting in 1940/41 in the Netherlands when the Kaiser asked Hitler what he had done so far - and Hitler saying that he had conquered France.
I must admit, I never heard of such a meeting.
Wilhelm met Göring once, in 1931, but that didn't lead to closer contacts between Nazis & Kaiser. In 1940 Wilhelm sent a telegram of congratulations to Hitler for taking Paris, but that's all I know.
Maybe I will have more time during the week to look deeper into it.
 
I see. I'll do some of my own research as well. It is surprising that the Nazi's didn't jail Wilhelm II when they took Amsterdam in 1940. I know for a fact Hitler wasn't fond of Wilhelm because he was the one who was the leader during Germany's loss in 1918.
 
the Nazi regime, is something that is wrapped in treachery, genocide, and political sabotage. remember that when they overthreq a country. They installed a puppet government to suit their needs.

The KKK as I posted earlier, I think on this thread. Are nothing but a bunch of backward people who are throwbacks to the slavery era. I mean, how much actual dignity does it take to run around in a white bedsheet, and murder, torture, and harrass people. That to me, screams that they have no human dignity.
 
Hiroshi66 said:
It is surprising that the Nazi's didn't jail Wilhelm II when they took Amsterdam in 1940. I know for a fact Hitler wasn't fond of Wilhelm because he was the one who was the leader during Germany's loss in 1918.
You're right that they weren't fond of each other. But Wilhelm still had quite a number of supporters, esp. among the officers. Anyway, Wilhelm was not really held responsible for the defeat in WWI. Have you ever heard of the Dolchstoßlegende? Communists, republicans and "international Jewry" were said to be responsible, not the military, not the Kaiser.

Timsan said:
In our era, no one but the ignorant ***** takes the viewpoints of a racist seriously.
Problem is, in the beginning Hitler wasn't taken too seriously, either. We should always be on the lookout.
 
sabro said:
According to the supreme court, however the KKK have the right to "Adopt a Highway."
BWAHAHAHAhahaha! I just had this visual of Klansmen in their sheets and Nazi uniforms with the swastika armbands out picking litter on a highway! Waaaaay too tempting for passing motorists!

"Here's some more trash, you <censored>!"

"Whoops, I slipped off the road a bit there. Gee I should be more careful, somebody could get hurt!"
 
@Censport: Heres the road sign for the highway. "Highway Adopted by the KKK Rural Route 6. " That would be a scary thing, if the world were to ignore the harsh facts that supremacy groups will always be there, lurking in the grey areas of society.
 
It's interesting to see how the ridiculous fringe gain more and more acceptance as people get desperate, as economic times get difficult. I don't see any particular danger in the Klan picking up trash as long as people laugh at them. It's when otherwise sane people start nodding in agreement and saying that maybe they have a point...
 
Which is exactly the plan of almost every extremist group, whether it's the KKK, the Nazis, ELF, NOW or radical Muslims. Sometimes, when spokespeople from these groups are trying to market themselves as 'not that different from you and me', I'm wondering if they're not trying to convince themselves as much as us.

I don't think it has anything to do with economic times. Just as with the poor, the wealthy, and politicians, fringe wackos never seem to go away.

You stated earlier that David Duke listens to Rush Limbaugh. But it's obvious that Rush Limbaugh doesn't listen to David Duke. And thank goodness for that!
 
I see - thanks bossel. I must have been mistaken. By republicans you mean people who became the future elite of the Weimar Republic?
 
Hiroshi66 said:
I see - thanks bossel. I must have been mistaken. By republicans you mean people who became the future elite of the Weimar Republic?
Yep, those politicians who advocated a democratic republic.
 
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