Meaning of 「一である」 and 「ですが」

nonezumi · 4 Nov 2010

Hello,

If possible, please kindly help me with meaning of the sentence below:

本書プロゲラミン言語Ｊａｖａとその基本ライブラリ 一である
および少ないですが ｊａｖａ．ｕｔｉｌ．ｃｏｎｃｕｒｒｅｎｔとｊａｖａ．ｉｏを、
みなさんが最も効果的にするのを手助けすることを目的としています。

I could translate it literally as:

This book contain Java programming language and its fundamental
libraries as well as a little of java.util.concurent and java.io,
the goal is to help everyone to use it mostly effective.

But I am not sure about proper translation of 一である expression.

Another difficulty is 少ないですが. I think that adjective 少ない modifies the noun ｊａｖａ．ｕｔｉｌ．ｃｏｎｃｕｒｒｅｎｔ, but I am not clear why ですが expression was attached to 少ない and which meaning it may convey.

In addition, I can not understand the purpose of を particle attached to the ｊａｖａ．ｉｏ noun.
Maybe, a reason is to mark ｊａｖａ．ｉｏ as direct object, but I could not find that transitive verb which refers to ｊａｖａ．ｉｏ noun.

Thank you very much! :sorry:

Kay from Kobe · 4 Nov 2010

That Japanese sentences are totally broken. It sounds like someone translate it by using internet translator.
That's natural that you don't understand, stuff you asked about doesn't make any sense. I'm sorry.^^b

nonezumi · 4 Nov 2010

Kay from Kobeさん、

Thank you very much for your kind help :sorry:

That sentence from the Japanese book I have bought before.
Maybe it sound so terribly wrong because I have made a lot of type mistakes.

I will check that text again. :sorry:

Kay from Kobe · 4 Nov 2010

ah, I see Then I can guess the original one from that Japanese.
>一である

I guess the original of this one is 一つである. If so, that means "one of the "
>ですが

and this usually means "though,"
So, it's more like this
"This book contain Java programming language and SOMETHING(it's not said in the Japanese) that one of its fundamental libraries. Also, not a lot though, ｊａｖａ．ｕｔｉｌ．ｃｏｎｃｕｒｒｅｎｔ and ｊａｖａ．ｉｏ..."
It's missing verbs so I can't finish the sentence, sorry^^;
If you could put the original Japanese, I can help you with that.

Good luck!

nonezumi · 4 Nov 2010

Kay from Kobeさん

Thank you very much for your kind help.
Unfortunately, I can not rely on my poor memory while learning Japanese.
I hope that I can correct my mistakes and put the original sentence soon.

Thank you very much. :sorry:

nonezumi · 4 Nov 2010

I am very sorry that I was not attentive. Indeed, I did not type the sentence correctly. I hope, below is right Japanese sentence.

本書プロゲラミン言語Javaとその基本ライブラリ 一である java.lang、 java.util、および少ないですが java.util.concurrentと java.ioを、
みなさんが最も効果的に使用するのを手助けすることを目的としています。

But, unfortunately, the correction could not help me. So the questions stays the same...

I am not sure about proper translation of 一である expression.

Reason of ですが expression which follows 少ない i-adjective also is not so clear to me. Because so far I met such expression only at end of a sentence.

Noun ｊａｖａ．ｉｏ has a を particle attached. But I could not find a transitive verb which requires を particle.

Thank you very much! :sorry:

undrentide · 4 Nov 2010

本書プロゲラミン言語Javaとその基本ライブラリ 一である java.lang、 java.util、および少ないですが java.util.concurrentと java.ioを、
みなさんが最も効果的に使用するのを手助けすることを目的としています。

Looks like still missing some parts...?

本書はプログラミング言語Javaとその基本ライブラリーであるjava.lang、 java.util、および
少ないですがjava.util.concurrentとjava.ioを、
みなさんが最も効果的に使用するのを手助けすることを目的としています。

is my guess.
It's not 一である - ライブラリー is one word (library).
I break the sentences as follows, which might help you to understand this sentence.

本書は

プログラミング言語Java
と
その基本ライブラリーであるjava.lang、java.util、
および
（少ないですが）java.util.concurrentとjava.io
を

みなさんが最も効果的に使用するのを手助けすることを

目的としています。

Toritoribe · 4 Nov 2010

I, too, bet it's not a kanji 一[いち] but the long vowel mark "ー", or "基本ライブラリーである".

少ないですが is an adjectival clause modifying "java.util.concurrentとjava.io", and ですが adds an effect similar to the non-defining use of the relative pronoun; "java.util.concurrent and java.io, which is a few/not so many,..."

nonezumi · 4 Nov 2010

undrentideさん、

I am so sorry, even I tried to check several times, I could not spot that missed parts.
Thank you always for your kind explanations. Sentences became little bit clearer for me. I hope, that I could understand the meaning but some parts still not so clear.

本書は

プログラミング言語Java
と
その基本ライブラリーであるjava.lang、java.util、
および
（少ないですが）java.util.concurrentとjava.io
を

みなさんが最も効果的に使用するのを手助けすることを

目的としています。

I was thinking と could express logical and like "programming language Java and its fundamental libraries, which is java.lang、java.util.

As for を particle, maybe last time (ことを) it was used to depict direct object of the する verb (しています). Unfortunately, I have no idea why を was placed after java.util.concurrentとjava.ioを noun.

Maybe this sentence too hard for me to understand it fully. And asking many times on same simple things could be discourteous...

Toritoribeさん、

Thank you very much for your kind explanation and for mention adjectival clause.
I will try to read about it.

Thank you very much!

undrentide · 4 Nov 2010

nonezumi said:
本書は

プログラミング言語Java
と
その基本ライブラリーであるjava.lang、java.util、
および
（少ないですが）java.util.concurrentとjava.io
を

みなさんが最も効果的に使用するのを手助けすることを

目的としています。

I was thinking と could express logical and like "programming language Java and its fundamental libraries, which is java.lang、java.util.

As for を particle, maybe last time (ことを) it was used to depict direct object of the する verb (しています). Unfortunately, I have no idea why を was placed after java.util.concurrentとjava.ioを noun.

Maybe this sentence too hard for me to understand it fully. And asking many times on same simple things could be discourteous...

Don't be discouraged, Nonezumi san, you've got it almost right!

About the two を, the first one is to make the whole items listed （～と～および～） the direct object of the verb 使用する.
最も効果的に modifies 使用する.

The second を indicates that 使用することを is the object of the verb （目的と）する, as you understood correctly.

Hope this helps.

Toritoribe · 4 Nov 2010

本書は『「みなさんが Javaと java.util.concurrentとjava.io、および java.util.concurrentとjava.io を使用する」のを手助けする』ことを目的としています

Does this make sense?;-)

"Javaとjava.util.concurrentとjava.io、およびjava.util.concurrentとjava.io" or "Java, java.util.concurrent, java.io, java.util.concurrent and java.io" are all the direct object of 使用する. Similarly, 使用するの/こと is the direct object of 手助けする, and 手助けすること is the direct object of 目的としています.

The core of the sentence is "This book is aiming at helping readers(=みなさん) use~".

nonezumi · 4 Nov 2010

undrentideさん、

Ah, now I can see why the sentence has been broken exactly in that way. It is a wonderful pile of the verbs chained by を particle. Thank you so much.

Toritoribeさん、

Yes, it makes sense in a most perfect way. Thank you so much for outlining sentence structure.

undrentideさん、Toritoribeさん

Thank you very much for, as always, perfect explanations.:sorry:

Meaning of 「一である」 and 「ですが」

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