Looking for very specific dictionary/book

Hi.

Beforehand, thanks for creating this amazing site. It's a very useful and interesting place to get all kind of information.

Ok, so I'm opening this thread because I'm looking for a specific JP dictionary, but searching around internet didn't give me any satisfactory result.

What I'm looking for is a dictionary that:

- Has many kanji. A minimun of 50.000, but I would like to get at least 100.000 if possible, and the more it has, the better.
- I don't mind if it is a single volume or several volumes.
- Has both kana On and Kun yomi pronunciations
- DO NOT include romaji.
- Includes the meaning either in english, spanish, german or italian.
- Has a handwritten version of the kanji in formal writting, i.e. not artistic. This is absolutely mandatory. If the dictionary doesn't has this, then it doesn't interest me at all even if it hase thousand of other features!!!
- Can be bought online from a trusted shop or vendor. ^_^
- They deliver to Spain.

Ok, that's all

Thanks in advance.

Do you mean 50,000 words? There aren't 50,000 kanji.

Mike Cash said:

Do you mean 50,000 words? There aren't 50,000 kanji.

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It depends on what you call "different kanji" and "different word".
日 is "one kanji" that has several words or meaning associated. Then, any compound kanji using 日, such as 白 would be a different kanji/compound with different word/meanings, so i'm counting here not only radicals but also compounds, so it could be easy to reach 50,000 kanji using kanji compounds.

What I want is at least 50,000 different kanji derived from radicals AND compounds, so 日 counts as a single kanji, and this will be in a single book page with all its meanings.

So, if we have a book with 50,000 pages, each page will contain an unique handwritten kanji radical or compound with it's On, Kun and meaning in barbarian language (if you know what I mean ^_^)

Dunno if this makes any sense or if it is any understandable.

Whatever, thanks.

Sairen said:

It depends on what you call "different kanji" and "different word".
日 is "one kanji" that has several words or meaning associated. Then, any compound kanji using 日, such as 白 would be a different kanji/compound with different word/meanings, so i'm counting here not only radicals but also compounds, so it could be easy to reach 50,000 kanji using kanji compounds.

What I want is at least 50,000 different kanji derived from radicals AND compounds, so 日 counts as a single kanji, and this will be in a single book page with all its meanings.

So, if we have a book with 50,000 pages, each page will contain an unique handwritten kanji radical or compound with it's On, Kun and meaning in barbarian language (if you know what I mean ^_^)

Dunno if this makes any sense or if it is any understandable.

Whatever, thanks.

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Kanji compound is a vocabulary with two or more kanjis...

日 is a word written with one kanji
日本 is a word written with two kanji
日本語 is a word written with three kanji

They don't become a new kanji by being combined together in compounds. You may find a dictionary with 50,000 word entries, but you won't find one with 50,000 kanji entries (because there aren't that many kanji).

In compounds, you will no longer have both kun and on readings (with perhaps a very few exceptions).

FinancialWar said:

Kanji compound is a vocabulary with two or more kanjis...

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Mind reading my previous post before answering?
Also, don't say "lol, this guy have no idea what a kanji is...." if you don't read other people's messages.
And for your information, even if you edit your messages, people receives email notification with your original messages.
Other than that, I don't have anything else to say to you. Goodbye.

Mike Cash said:

日 is a word written with one kanji

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That, is a single kanji.

Mike Cash said:

日本 is a word written with two kanji
日本語 is a word written with three kanji

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Those are compound kanji.
Isn't that what I wrote in my previous post?

Mike Cash said:

They don't become a new kanji by being combined together in compounds. You may find a dictionary with 50,000 word entries, but you won't find one with 50,000 kanji entries (because there aren't that many kanji).
In compounds, you will no longer have both kun and on readings (with perhaps a very few exceptions).

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Let me quote myself back

So, if we have a book with 50,000 pages, each page will contain an unique handwritten kanji radical or compound with it's On, Kun and meaning in barbarian language (if you know what I mean ^_^)

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So, for you example, I would have 1 page for 日, another page for 日本 and another one for 日本語, instead one page for each of the english/spanish/italian/german meanings of each kanji/compound.
Each page, according to this rule, i need it to have a handwritten kanji or compound, the meaning in engligh, espanish, italian or german and the possible kun and/or on.
But it doesn't mind if it is one kanji/compound per page, i don't mind 1, 2 or 3 or whatever each page contains if the handwritten can be seen well.
Oh, and when I say "handwritten" i mean "brush-like" drawing.
So the dictionary should be indexed using the kanji/compunds rather than the english, spanish, .... meanings.

Sairen said:

Mind reading my previous post before answering?
Also, don't say "lol, this guy have no idea what a kanji is...." if you don't read other people's messages.
And for your information, even if you edit your messages, people receives email notification with your original messages.
Other than that, I don't have anything else to say to you. Goodbye.

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cause I'm trying to be nice to your ignorance.

Sairen said:

That, is a single kanji.
Those are compound kanji.

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There is no much thing as a "compound kanji", these are "kanji compound" or "compound words" or "jukugo". If a kanji is itself made up of multiple kanji or parts, it is still a kanji.

Sairen said:

Isn't that what I wroter in my previous post? Let me quote myself back

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do you have any idea what you wrote? Because it's very confusing.

Sairen said:

So, for you example, I would have 1 page for 日, another page for 日本 and another one for 日本語, instead one page for each of the english/spanish/italian/german meanings of each kanji/compound.

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so what is kanji mean here and what do you mean by compound here? Does compound mean a compound word or a Chinese character made up of multiple components such as the word 語 because it's made up from 言 and 吾? Because in your previous post you said 白 is a compound kanji because it's from 日 but there is no such thing as compound kanji and only kanji compound and I think you ought to avoid the word compound.

Sairen said:

Each page, according to this rule, i need it to have a handwritten kanji or compound, the meaning in engligh, espanish, italian or german and the possible kun and/or on.

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So it's handwritten kanji or compound or Kanji radical or kanji compound or compound kanji?? Please be specific and consistent.

Sairen said:

But it doesn't mind if it is one kanji/compound per page, i don't mind 1, 2 or 3 or whatever each page contains if the handwritten can be seen well. Oh, and when I say "handwritten" i mean "brush-like" drawing.
So the dictionary should be indexed using the kanji/compunds rather than the english, spanish, .... meanings.

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Brush like drawing? It's called regular script as oppose to Ming or Sans-serif script.

ps. you really should learn the basics of Kanji, especially the terms radical and compound.

The confusion came about from this reply of yours:

日 is "one kanji" that has several words or meaning associated. Then, any compound kanji using 日, such as 白 would be a different kanji/compound with different word/meanings

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You seem to be getting two things mixed up:
白 is not a "kanji compound" with 日、but a single kanji. There are not 50,000 of these. A dictionary which has something like 3000 in would be plenty for most purposes.
日本 is something different, a "kanji compound" - i.e. a word which has multiple kanji in it, one of which is 日.

It doesn't really make sense to talk about "on"/"kun" readings for a kanji compound, just word reading(s), which can be on, kun, a mix, or none of the above. For example, if you have the kanji compound 今日 (today), the most common reading is きょう (not on/kun). You also won't find a dictionary which just lists 50000 kanji compounds but no kana-only words, because it wouldn't be much use.

What you probably need is two books:
1) A standard kanji dictionary (containing individual kanji with readings, meanings, example compounds, etc.) with handwritten examples. I think this probably exists, but I can't suggest any because I don't use a paper kanji dictionary. The only thing online I know with handwriting is the Yamasa dictionary. This would contain individual kanji (like 日、白 but not 日本 although it might be listed on the page for 日 as an example compound).

2) A decent Japanese-Spanish/Spanish-Japanese dictionary. This probably won't have handwriting in (but you can always refer to the kanji dictionary to see what the handwritten versions would look like). A good dictionary should have some example sentences as well. This is where you'd go to find the meanings and readings of words like 日本 and 白い.

@Sairen

I have a dictionary with beautiful handwritten font I designed* just for you.

Is this what you looking for?

I think a nice beginner's textbook and basic dictionary would be of more immediate and practical benefit.