IP addresses
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Fire Star Man
- 8 Feb 2005
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Are you sure it is a website? It just might be a computer itself trying to access yours
if you try http://64.191.192.118 , apparently it does not work. So it can't be a website.
It may be a dynamic IP address. So finding it will be very very difficult.
if you try http://64.191.192.118 , apparently it does not work. So it can't be a website.
It may be a dynamic IP address. So finding it will be very very difficult.
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The Closest I Could Come.....
was it goes through a company called "Mirror Image Internet" in Woburn, Massachusetts? Couldn't trace it back from there?
Frank
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was it goes through a company called "Mirror Image Internet" in Woburn, Massachusetts? Couldn't trace it back from there?
Frank
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DoctorP
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- 3 Jun 2004
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Yeah, that is all I could find out too. Here is the problem. My network manager at work keeps taking my pc offline because this ip address keeps trying to reconnect to my pc. It places a cookie on my machine and everytime I start up IE this ip address tries to reconnect.
I can't figure out what it goes to. I don't think that it is a site that I visit, and there are 3 other people who use this computer. I was just trying to rule out that it's not from me! I will have to scan my pc at home and see if I can find this address anywhere on it. I usually visit the same sites from home that I visit from work...so if it is me, it will show up there too...I hope.
I can't figure out what it goes to. I don't think that it is a site that I visit, and there are 3 other people who use this computer. I was just trying to rule out that it's not from me! I will have to scan my pc at home and see if I can find this address anywhere on it. I usually visit the same sites from home that I visit from work...so if it is me, it will show up there too...I hope.
Opakoman
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- 14 Feb 2006
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suirai
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CC1 said:
Just a minute here, folks. That is an IP Address and posting it here could very well be a violation of somebody's privacy rights. This is NOT right!
Let me add to this: I'm a member of webmasterworld, ISOC, Avast Forums, and a few other tech sites and the FIRST and NUMBER ONE RULE on all those sites is we DO NOT post IP Addresses except under extremely tight guidelines, which results in an IP Address being posted maybe once a month amongst thousands of posts a month about maliciousness on the Net.
Again, this is just not right, and we'll take this up with the moderating staff.
- 8 Aug 2005
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Is there a specific law you are referring to, or is this just an ethics guideline those forums follow? Most of the constituents of this site aren't terribly tech-savvy, and the intention behind this thread and its responses is not malicious.
I'm curious to know exactly what privacy issue is at stake here.
I'm curious to know exactly what privacy issue is at stake here.
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suirai
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nice gaijin said:
I would strongly suggest you take that question to webmastersworld. I think the responses would be much more articulate than I could provide.
Quite frankly, I don't know of too many, if any sites, especially not reputable sites where the posting of IP Addresses is allowed. I'm talking about all manner of forums and message boards. On some message boards and forums the rules are very, very strict to the point that even one violation results in a temporary ban for at least a week.
Now why would you suppose that might be? Let me answer this way; I can probably take your IP Address and track you to your home. The tools are available to do that. At the very least, I could cause you lot of trouble, if I were a "bad guy". Ever heard of a tag? Ever heard of a malicious email that looks like it came from your computer?
In the days when everyone was using dial-up this was not quite so bad, but these days it is different.
Again, I suggest you do more study on the subject at webmastersworld. You could also contact us at ISOC, but you may just get me again. Go to webmastersworld, that's better.
- 8 Aug 2005
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oh I have a pretty good imagination when it comes to the possible consequences of posting an IP, and I can also understand the necessity of such a rule on a tech site. But I wonder if there is a legal reason behind said precautions.
The nature of this site is obviously much less tech-oriented, but if the mods decided the thread should be taken down i'd understand why. The OP was vague, but it didn't say "hey let's attack this site," or "find this guy's address for me." That's not to say that it's not a potential outcome, just not one anyone here seems to be concerned with.
The nature of this site is obviously much less tech-oriented, but if the mods decided the thread should be taken down i'd understand why. The OP was vague, but it didn't say "hey let's attack this site," or "find this guy's address for me." That's not to say that it's not a potential outcome, just not one anyone here seems to be concerned with.
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nice gaijin said:
Actually, your question about the law is a good one. At present the general feeling amongst the older Usenet folks and the present admins/owners is the less interference from the various law enforcement agencies the best. That is until someone does real damage and then it's kind of like, "Okay, we need you to put him in jail, but let's keep away from enacting any laws that may restrict what we can do. Just keep going after the bad guys, but let us good guys do what we want." Actually, that wasn't well phrased, but there does seem to be this feeling of "less is best" when it comes to law enforcement and the tools necessary to provide law enforcement -- the laws, and some teeth. In other words, most "geeks" prefer reactive rather than proactive law enforcement on the Net.
Well, that will change. I don't know how long it will take, but there will come a time when webmasters and administrators will need a license. I know, you think I'm out of my mind, but think about it. We are just getting started in this new area of human interaction using the Internet. Forums, Message Boards, etc. have not really been around that long. Law enforcement and those that make the laws have not been able to keep up. But something is going to happen, something very bad, and BAM, those that make the laws are going to say, "Heh, these folks have way too much power and they need to be reined in." How do the powers normally rein in professional people? With licenses, and inspections and such.
There was a time when one didn't need a license to drive a car, or fly an airplane, practice medicine, and all other manner of activities. In each and every case the control was gained through the state regulating who could do such activities through the issuing of permits, licenses, and inspecting those that engaged in the particular activity that was licensed. All done through laws. And there were always those in the beginning that said, ﾂ"The state has no right to license me.ﾂ" Same thing is step-by-step happening on the Net.
There is already quite a bit of control over who can be an Internet Provider in many countries. But those that are allowed to own and run websites like forums and message boards pretty much have a free hand in what they can do.
We could try self-policing, but I don't have much faith that we can get together a diverse, yet representative group of those with power on the Net to enact any self-policing policies. And then how would the enforcement be done? Of course, this discussion is taking place on many sites, but it is all discussion.
Heck, there are some countries that are already starting to complain that the United States has too much control over the Net and want some international body to take over. How could that be done? United Nations?
And when there are attempts at self-policing one must worry about controls on that. I recall not too long ago in Japan when a bunch of companies got together and said they would provide all information to the ploice about someone registered on their forum/message board if that person started posting messages about suicide. Heh, how can the police help someone who has suicidal tendencies? Put them in jail? If the Internet Providers had said they would give the personal info to some sort of community support group or ﾂ"Help-Lineﾂ" type of group, that may have been better. But the police? That's pretty extreme. And what right do they have to do that? None, in my opinion. None at all.
Why did they want to do it? In my view it looked like a bloody PR trick. Because there had been a number of cases of group suicides and it seemed those people had first ﾂ"metﾂ" each other on forums or message boards. A violation of privacy to create a good PR image is disgusting to the extreme. If they had really cared they would have as a group decided to donate some of their profit to a ﾂ"Help Supportﾂ" group and then announced they just might be turning personal info to that or other support groups. But that's too much work. Too much caring. Nope let the state, this case the police take responsibility and then nobody can say it's our fault those poor souls didn't get the help they needed. Nope, we told the cops. And the cops sure can't come after us IPs. I'm actually ashamed because I have been too busy trying to survive economically to have time to keep up with that business and lost track of what ever happened.
But, I suppose you get the drift of where I'm coming from. And speaking of survival, I have to get back to job hunting.
DoctorP
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- 3 Jun 2004
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suirai said:
If they can put it on my pc, then I can post it here! I don't really care about their rights when somehow it made its way onto my gov't pc, and caused me problems! It is not a personal IP address, at least I do not believe it to be one...and it caused me a lot of downtime at work. I was merely trying to verify what site it came from so I could either rule myself out as the person responsible, or bring myself to the forefront. Thanks for you help (lack of) anyway.
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suirai
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CC1 said:
"... at least I do not believe it to be one..."
That's just fine. You don't know who that address belongs to. Might be a private address. You are not sure if the whole affair could be an accident of some kind -- inadvertent. But you have put the address up for public viewing.
And, you "don't really care about their rights ..." The part about "when it somehow made its way onto my computer" seems an odd sort of justification given that you then went on to admit you aren't really sure what's going on.
By the way, you can post it here only if the administrator says you can. It's not your decision.
And if you had ask me for help via the board's PM system I would have been more than happy to have helped. I have done quite a lot of that if the circumstances were correct.
Anyway, back to my point about posting it in the first place -- it is entirely up to the admin. We'll see what he says about the policy of posting IP Addresses on his forum.
Kinsao
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- 8 May 2005
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I have a question about IP addresses.
You're gonna think me terribly ignorant *embarrassed* but how do they work?
I mean, there is a little string of numbers... so what does it mean? How can someone figure out my location from my IP address?
I don't have a problem with that, I'm just curious as to what they actually are.
You're gonna think me terribly ignorant *embarrassed* but how do they work?
I mean, there is a little string of numbers... so what does it mean? How can someone figure out my location from my IP address?
I don't have a problem with that, I'm just curious as to what they actually are.
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Fire Star Man
- 8 Feb 2005
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Let me explain a little more. An IP (Internet Protocol) address is an address for your computer's connection to the Internet, or a Server's, Mainframes', Routers, Switches....etc...etc.
Kind of like an address for your house. IP address for Mainframes and Servers are usually assigned IP addresses according to your location in the world. IP address can be duplicated all over the world, as long as they are not on the same network or Internet Service Provider (ISP).
If someone hacks into your computer, the only way they know where you live, is if they find a way to view personal files, cookies, etc that have addresses stored, OR if they some how got a hold of the list of Users on that ISP.
Another thing about an IP address: it is a protocol to tell how files will be sent, where. Simply put, a set of instructions.
Hope this helps a little bit.
Feel free to correct me fellow users.
Kind of like an address for your house. IP address for Mainframes and Servers are usually assigned IP addresses according to your location in the world. IP address can be duplicated all over the world, as long as they are not on the same network or Internet Service Provider (ISP).
If someone hacks into your computer, the only way they know where you live, is if they find a way to view personal files, cookies, etc that have addresses stored, OR if they some how got a hold of the list of Users on that ISP.
Another thing about an IP address: it is a protocol to tell how files will be sent, where. Simply put, a set of instructions.
Hope this helps a little bit.
Feel free to correct me fellow users.
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suirai
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-Rudel- said:
That's an interesting line. What exactly do you mean?
An ISP is assigned a "range" of addresses and if you are using that ISP and are online there is nobody else in the world, whether they are using another ISP or not, that can be assigned the same number you are using. In fact, the "range" of numbers assigned to a particular ISP are not assigned to anyone else, unless the original ISP relinquishes control of those numbers for some reason.
But maybe I misunderstood your sentence.
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suirai
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I thought I saw that "every 5 seconds" thing, but couldn't find it when I finished that lengthy post up there.
Yeah, that's something I'd like to hear more about myself.
I mean, even a bot program can't do that, so I sure would like to know about that. Might be something new, yes?
Thanks for highlighting that, Hachiro.
Yeah, that's something I'd like to hear more about myself.
I mean, even a bot program can't do that, so I sure would like to know about that. Might be something new, yes?
Thanks for highlighting that, Hachiro.
Blututh
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- 5 Feb 2006
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On the subject of IP addresses being considered under privacy rights protection, all IP addresses, with the exceptions of Dynamic IPs and proxy IPs, are public. When you type in JREF.com/forum in your web browser, your PC connects with a DNS server that converts it into a machine-readable code. It is as public as what the above paragraph.
- 8 Aug 2005
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That's a local address from your home network. It probably WILL be the same next week.
