Hiroshima and Nagasaki

[10almonds]

I was thinking more of 5,000 m above ground,

so sorry,i meant "The Urakami church is 500M from the ground zero.".
I'd like to correct it in a hurry.

 

[lexico]

so sorry,i meant "The Urakami church is 500M from the ground zero.".
I'd like to correct it in a hurry.

Oh, sorry. I was the one who made the misreading. On the one hand, I misread what you said, thinking that the bomb detonated 500 m above ground, and then I was making a comment on member Neuhauser's reply based on my misread. Sorry for the confusion, but the basic argument remains intact. At whatever elevation the Hiroshima bomb detonated, it should have been 10 times that elevation and the bomb would still have demonstrated its destructive powers.

 

[10almonds]

The crime of the old empire army is not relating to my intention.

Man who doesn't know the atomic bomb's fear will use the atomic bomb again easily in the next World War Ⅲ.
One of the reasons why the atomic bomb is frightened is a mutation in genes.
The descendant of people who bathed in the radiation of the atomic bomb still has been worried whether cancer occurs easily or not.

 

[lexico]

The crime of the old empire army is not relating to my intention.

I agree; yet to push the justification of using the A-bomb has dangerous implications -- such as using it again as you mentioned in the following.

Man who doesn't know the atomic bomb's fear will use the atomic bomb again easily in the next World War Ⅲ.
one of reasons why the atomic bomb is frightened is a mutation in genes.
The descendant of people who bathed in the radiation of the atomic bomb stillﾂ has been worried whether cancer occurs easily or not.

I absolutely agree. The acceptance of non-proliferation of destructive & peaceful use of nuclear energy by the leading nations is rather complicated I think;

1) To monopolise the destructive power exclusively; all nations not armed with nuclear weapons can only bow their heads in obedience if their national policy conflicts with an armed nation's.

2) To accept the genuine warning from anti-nuclear activist groups, or at least to appear that they are the 'good guys.'

3) To keep the superior energy production technology within the 8 or 9 developed nations while keeping the rest of the world energy-poor; there is a great market for selling energy; petrol, natural hydrocarbon gas, and nuclear fuel shafts. I would say at least some of the anti-nuclear activist groups in non-armed countries who object to even the peaceful use are not

3a) concerned with the transformation of a peaceful technology into a destructive technology
3b) concerned for a nuclear-free future
3c) concerned for those who have suffered from nuclear exposure

but are either

3d) ignorant, (what a good cover !)
3e) paid operatives for the nuclearised nations' gov't & non-gov't orgs such as the energy industry, oil dealers, and whatnot,
3f) dissidents seeking the weakening of the powers they oppose.

Sorry for being negatively critical. It raises serious questions for the doubting minds that even peaceful nuclear technology is kept under tight control. We can see that IAEA is also tainted with political interests; it is NOT dedicated solely to humanity's benefit in general.

 

[10almonds]

I sympathize with the sense of anti-nuclear mission of people who actually experienced the hell.

but, I am sick about anti-nuclear activists who do not oppose nuclear test of North Korea and China though it opposes peaceful use of Japan for energy and nuclear test of the United States ,France and so on.

The launch pad tower of the nuclear warhead of North Korea and China aims at Japan.
I began to feel that Japan might have to have the nucleus of the deterrent.

However,still i say" no one must use the nuclear weapon".
The human race should learn how Oppenheimer and Einstein regretted.

 

[lexico]

What China and N.Korea would like to hear

I sympathize with the sense of anti-nuclear mission of people who actually experienced the hell.
...
But, I am sick about anti-nuclear activists who do not oppose nuclear test of North Korea and China though it opposes peaceful use of Japan for energy and nuclear test of the United States, France and so on.
...
However,still i say" no one must use the nuclear weapon".
The human race should learn how Oppenheimer and Einstein regretted.

I absolutely agree.
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The launch pad tower of the nuclear warhead of North Korea and China aims at Japan.
I began to feel that Japan might have to have the nucleus of the deterrent.

While the victims of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, roughly 10% of which were Koreans and Chinese living/working there btw, have every right to protest any kind of nuclear threat, at the same time it is really difficult to blame China and N.Korea who suffered so much under Japanese colonialist expansionst activities from the late 1800's down to 1945.

The aggression against the Chinese resulted in more than 10 million Chinese deaths in Japanese hands during WWII alone; exceeding the Holocaust figure of 6 million by 4 million by the conservative figures. So how can you blame them ?

Japan, instead of arming for 'retaliatory nuclear capability,' should issue announcements such as;

The now peace-loving people of Japan fully admit the atrocities committed by the Imperial Japanese people. We fully understand why your missiles are pointed towards us considering the past acts of aggression that Japan has painfully learned to regret and repent for. And because of this understanding, we refrain, in line with the new idea of peaceful coexistence of the new post-WWII Japan, from reacting in any ill-informed, insensitive manner. Also is the wide-spread concern both in and out of Japan that Japan has not fully repented, has been whitewashing its aggressive militarist past, and that it is pushing for rearmament by using China and N.Korea's legitimate response to recent historical tragedies as an excuse.

We kindly refuse to give in to the temptation and pressures to take an active role in any military pursuit whether aggressive, defensive, or peace-keeping. We, as any people of the world, reserve the right to defend ourselves when attacked, but will not prepare for nuclear retaliation. We hope, when China and N.Korea come to understand our intentions from our self-restraint, that they too will some day remove the nuclear missiles they have been pointing at us in symbolic gestures of protest. Our loyalty is not to our emperor, the glories of our past, nor to the war-torn turmoils that we ourselves created, but towards eternal peace in the country, the immediate neigboring region, and abroad.

(signed-- by whomever can rightfully represent the people of Japan)

 

[10almonds]

Why do I need to blame general people?
Why can't I blame people who use their twisted and bent justice in this modern time?
Why do you think so?
you do want only to blame the Japanese, don't you?
I'm talking about the human race's miserable in the future.
Please do not change the discussion.
I have signed on the document "Japanese Government must investigate the truth of Nanking Massacre" 10 years ago.
The number of people at that time was 300,000 people.

After all, all is politics. (T T)

and ･･･, I think that to put Korea on the same line with China is the wrong attitude.

 

[lexico]

youﾂ do want only to blame the Japanese,don't you ?
i'm talking about the human race 's miserableﾂ in the future .
please do not change discussion.

I understand that your reference to the nuclear missiles was only a conditional of a sentence structure of concession; "though, enventhough, even if." But the second part of your concessional clause

I began to feel that Japan might have to have the nucleus of the deterrent.

sounded way too dangerous to me, and I could not help but respond to that "concessional condition" you were struggling to overcome. Think of it this way; just imagine for a moment that my sample "statement" came from a mainstream Japanese citizen and not a citizen of a foreign country. I say that more as a human being angered at the inhumanity of war than as a Korean citizen bitter at Japan. My being Korean only helped me to see it better, and gave me better access to the information. I have lived 1/3 of my life in the US, and had excellent Japanese friends who were often even more critical of Japan than me, who studied Japanese atrocities in the library I frequented, or whose family left Japan out of disgust for Imperial Japan's policies during the "turbulent years." I am not blind, you see ?

I have signed on the document "Japanese Government must investigate the truth of Nanking Massacre" 10 years ago.
The number of people at that time was 300,000 people.

I am glad you and 300,000 people were interested in historical truth; but what was the truth you discovered ? That Nanjing Massacre was a lie conjured up by Allied Powers; esp. the US ?

I think that to put Korea on the same line with China is wrong attitude.

What exactly do you find wrong in my statement ? I am listening, so do tell what kind of problem you have with my post. I really have a hard time understanding your reference to my "wrong attitude."

 

[10almonds]

but what was the outcome of the truth you discovered ?

as you said,i know about the number of 10 million victims of recent report too.
they said 300,000 people in ten years ago .
Conservative people say that ﾂ Nanjing incident was a frame up...
i've seen 10 or more photos of Nankin evidence before.
and as they said ,there were " Bazoku/horse riding gangs".

many years passed ,but people and governments still do such a thing.

why do i have to trust both of them anymore?
Why should I participate in their political history discussions?

What exactly do you find wrong in my statement ? I am listening, so do tell what kind of problem you have with my post. I really have a hard time understanding your "wrong attitude."

Do I owe you loyalty, as if I were a Japanese citizen ?
Korea lost its kings and queens to Imperial Japan. Korean princes were forced to marry Japanese brides and forced into IJA military. Of Korean youths males were forced into serving IJA, girls into working in Japanese manufacturing facilites or brothels. Why do I owe Imperial Japan/Japan any sympathy for these acts of violence ?

have you ever seen photos of old Korea?
how do you think of the fact that a lot of Korean people are judged as a war crime?

 

[lexico]

as you said, I know about the number of 10 million victims of the recent report too.
They said 300,000 people in ten years ago.
Conservative people say that Nanjing incident was a frame-up...
I've seen 10 or more photos of Nankin evidence before.
And as they said, there were " Bazoku/horse riding gangs".

Many years passed, but people and governments still do such a thing.

Why do I have to trust both of them anymore?
Why should I participate in their political history discussions?

So basically you're saying that after the 300,000 Japanese citizens demanded historical accuracy of the Nanjing Massacre, Japanese scholars/ Japanese gov't/ you have examined the evidence and concluded to disbelieve the historical truthfulness of the Nanjing Massacre?
Are you saying that the atrocity photos were pictures borrowed from those of Chinese horse-mounted bandits?
I believe history is less about trusting anyone than "examining" the evidence presented for yourself after seeing all the evidence and all sides of the history telling.

I may add that having different views, even extremist, revisionist, or denialist views helps expand historical criticism and become more aware of historical truths, not to fall into relativist ideas conveniently denying all validity because there are more than one theory proposed.

For an overview of IJ's involvement in Nanjing (Nanking) Massacre, please read these threads.

Read a Japanese History Textbook.
The broken link to Japanese Views of the Second Sino-Japanese War can be found at

Japanese Views of the Second Sino-Japanese War']Japanese Views of the Second Sino-Japanese War

Rape of Nanking
Has Japan killed more innocent civilians in WWII than any other country in history?
Documents and pictures about Nanjing Massacre

have you ever seen photos of old Korea?

Do you mean the poor, dilapidated, and crumbling gate of Namdaemun? Yes, I have. Does that give a shred of legitimacy for IJA to march in, kill our king and queen, and plunder the country as they pleased?

how do you think of the fact that many Korean people are judged as a war crime?

I am sure plenty of Korean collaborators with Imperial Japan participated in IJ's war crimes; as for the war crimes committed during the Vietnam War, any violators of civilians / POW's stipulated in the Geneva Convention are equally to blame, and I am not ashamed to condemn them. I am open to criticism and willing to listen to new info that I am not aware of. Do tell me more.

 

[10almonds]

Site of the conservative group in Nanjing incident
The Alleged 'Nanking Massacre' Chapter I ÄRu"ì‹ž'å‹sŽEv'æˆêÍ

It was published.
But I do not believe some of all.



You are South Korean, right?
There would be penal regulations in South Korea if someone praised that acts of old Japanese empireﾂ even a little.
And, the history textbook of South Korea has only one kind that the country
provided.
I cannot expect a fair discussion.....
In short, the victor is gripping the pen of the history book.

 

[lexico]

Site of the conservative group in Nanjing incident
The Alleged 'Nanking Massacre' Chapter I ÄRu"ì‹ž'å‹sŽEv'æˆêÍ

It was published.
but I do not believe some of all.

Thanks for the link; I will surely look at the info.

You are South Korean.
There would be penal regulations in South Korea if someone praised that acts of old Japanese empireﾂ even a little.

Wrong, komachi. Perhaps in the past during the Rhee Sungman administration. We have quite a few revisionists in Korea, and they do not go to gaol or pay a fine for praising Japan/IJ/your emperor. They only get laughed at by the population.

And, the history textbook of South Korea has only one kind that the country provided.

Wrong again, komachi. Maybe right after the war, Korea did not have the chance to publish more than one textbook. Now we have around two dozen publishers? Some are pro-commie, some are revisionist, and some are nationalist... we have the whole variety that any citizen of a civilized, democratic country would deserve. Too many, actually!
But thanks for your concern for our democracy of textbook publishing. ;-)

I cannot expect a fair discussion.....

Don't worry, komachi. Everyone is entitled to a fair trial in Korea. Even the commies!

In short, the victor is gripping the pen of the history book.

You lost me again, komachi. Who is the victor

I think that to put Korea on the same line with China is the wrong attitude?

I still don't understand why you think I have the "wrong attitude." Just because Korean conscripts were forced into IJA during the last years of WWII to fight for IJ/your emperor in China makes me/Korea part of IJA, and therefore not qualified to criticise? I'm not Patty Hearst, and I'm not a terrorist, either.

And if your logic is valid, how can a Japanese person be critical of Imperial Japan? Is (s)he also of the "wrong attitude ?" btw to call someone on a "wrong attitude" is a VERY STRONG STATEMENT. So I expect a good explanation from you, or else...(unless it is a language problem)...so please define what you meant.

 

[10almonds]

Maybe right after the war, Korea did not have the chance to publish more than one textbook. Now we have around two dozen publishers? Some are pro-commie, some are revisionist, and some are nationalist... we have the whole variety that any citizen of a civilized, democratic country would deserve. Too many, actually!

really?
I meant only for "history textbook".
every site says 唯一の国定教科書 the only one history textbook that established by country."
Even Wikipedia say that.
It's unbelievable.

btw to call someone on a "wrong attitude" is a VERY STRONG STATEMENT.

Ooh, I apologize if my expression was too strong.
It's because my English vocabulary is poor. :sorry:
and thank you for your point.

Well...

How do you think of a pro-Japanese president, Sei Pak (Pac-chonhi/朴正熙)?
His words are a reason why I think that South Korea is not the same as China.

 

[lexico]

realy?
I meant only for "history textbook".
every site says 唯一の国定教科書 the only one history textbook that established by country."
Even Wikipedia say that.
it's unbelievable.

Well you do seem to have a point. According to one source, there have been 59 State-Compiled textbooks in the period 1946 to 2002, and it does seem that since 1974, only one line of history textbooks had state approval. But I have always had more than several textbooks used for references in my history classes all thru my junior-high to high school yrs; I had access to a wealth of reference materials I got from used book stores. I'm having just a little trouble finding a list of all available history textbooks on the market, but let me list some that I could find on the web. There are at least 6 high school level history textbooks available for schools to choose from, but I don't have the full situation just yet. These are the stuff I found from various publications.

<국정교과서 국사> gov't approved "Korean History."
<이 겨레 살리는 통일> National Teachers' Union, "Unification for National Resuscitation."
<살아있는 한국사 교과서> National Teachers' Union, "Korean History in Motion."
<한국 근현대사> Kumsong Publishing, "Modern History of Korea" high school

some companies currently publishing highschool history textbooks:
1) (사)한국검정교과서협회 (02) 3663-5409 to 5412 한국검인정교과서협회
2) (주) 교 학 사 (02) 7075-120 :: 교육의 길잡이 · 학생의 동반자 ☞ 교학사 ::
3) (주) 두 산 (02) 3398-2700 :::동아출판:::내일의 꿈을 만들어가는 교육문화 1등 기업
4) (주) 금성교과서 http://www.kumsung.co.kr/text/branch.jsp

These are what I could find, but there should be more.

ooh, I apologize if my expression was too strong.
It's because my English vocabulary is poor. :sorry:
and thank you for your point.

I understand; NP.

how do you think of a pro-Japanese president, Sei Pak (Pac-chonhi/Pac-chonhi/朴正熙)? His words are a reason why I think that South Korea is not the same as China.

I'm not sure how you mean by calling him pro-Japanese. Pres. Park Chung-hee was not an ideologue of any sort, but a politician. Unlike many presidents of stable, developed countries, he lived through tumultuous times that makes it very difficult to follow a single line of political ideology which can be a luxury for a nation/individual on the brink of survival greedy yrs colonialism. He was a brilliant leader who did what seemed best during his public service within the practical limits presented. Just because he graduated a Japanese military school and had many Japanese friends during his lifetime; does that make him pro-Japanese? I think that is an understatement of what his life has shown. Does his involvement in the popular communist uprising in You-Sunch'on make him a commie? That too is too limiting of his talent and political scope. Does his role in the 1963 Korea-Japan reconciliation make him revisionist and apologist for IJ's wartime atrocities including his role in the IJA? Definitely not.

Edit: What did Pres. Does Park say that made you think he had different ideas from the Chinese?

 

[cicatriz esp]

In Japan, the obliteration of Hiroshima did not at first yield conclusive results. Japanese scientists assessing the Hiroshima damage doubted that the Americans could possibly have harvested enough radioactive material to make more than a few bombs. It was even likely, they said, that Hiroshima was a one-off stunt that could not be repeated. (This deprecation of the magnitude of the US Bomb program suggests how ineffective a demonstration would have been.) Only after the Soviet declaration of war against Japan on Aug. 8 and the second nuclear attack on Nagasaki on Aug. 9 did Emperor Hirohito, in an exceedingly rare display of direct political command, overrule some of his own military leaders, who advocated an apocalyptic fight to the finish. Citing the unprecedented destructive power of the atom bombs, he declared, "I swallow my own tears and give my sanction to the proposal to accept the Allied proclamation" - which called for Japan's unconditional surrender.

Take this article for what you will; I'm not sure how much these guys at this "Time" magazine do their research.

Oh, I know it's an old argument and I hope it's been settled, but my country was absolutely going to drop this bomb on Germany had we had the opportunity.

 

[10almonds]

some companies currently publishing highschool history textbooks:
1) (사)한국검정교과서협회 (02) 3663-5409 to 5412 한국검인정교과서협회
2) (주) 교 학 사 (02) 7075-120 :: 교육의 길잡이 · 학생의 동반자 ☞ 교학사 ::
3) (주) 두 산 (02) 3398-2700 :::동아출판:::내일의 꿈을 만들어가는 교육문화 1등 기업
4) (주) 금성교과서 http://www.kumsung.co.kr/text/branch.jsp

Thanks for links,
well, I tried it, but finally link to
:: 교육의 길잡이 · 학생의 동반자 ☞ 교학사::
about the history of junior grade text.


Well, I don't know how to say in English,
朴正煕 選集 我々は今何をいかになすべきか
박정희 선집 우리는 지금 무엇을 얼마나 이루어야할 것인가

The radioactivity comes to South Korea and Japan when the nuclear test is done in the north direction.
I want to ask you "Don't you frighten it?"
I'm always worried about radioactivity.

 

[sabro]

I got to read the Time magazine articles at the dentist office today. I highly recommend it. It leaves little doubt about the certainty of the decision to drop the bomb and its effect of ending WWII. It also leaves little doubt about its horrible and inhumane effect. In one article the moral question it raised was not the decision to drop the bomb, but the acceptance in the years before of the deliberate targeting of civillians.

 

[lexico]

I got to read the Time magazine articles at the dentist office today. I highly recommend it. It leaves little doubt about the certainty of the decision to drop the bomb and its effect of ending WWII. It also leaves little doubt about its horrible and inhumane effect. In one article the moral question it raised was not the decision to drop the bomb, but the acceptance in the years before of the deliberate targeting of civilians.

Thanks for sharing your readings, Cicatriz, Sabro.

Crossing the Moral Threshold
Why U.S. leaders never questioned the idea of dropping the Bomb
By DAVID M. KENNEDY
Posted Monday, Jul. 25, 2005
From the Aug. 01, 2005 issue of TIME magazine

 

[10almonds]

I still don't understand why you think I have the "wrong attitude." Just because Korean conscripts were forced into IJA during the last years of WWII to fight for IJ/your emperor in China makes me/Korea part of IJA, and therefore not qualified to criticise?

After all, I couldn't find out it in the English version and the title.

「朴正煕 選集 ２国家・民族・私」－我々は今何をいかになすべ きか-

【Summary】

In a word, our history of 5,000 years was a history of retrogression,
crude and stagnation.
There were a few wise kings and some heroes.
However, most of our history knelt to the powerful nation or were only sitting knitting straw.
The civilization and the economy of every country in the world had developed while we were sleeping.

******************

I want to reply to several satire pictures instead of it.

The people in Korea were exploited by the Chinese emperor and the dynasty of Korea.
There was even no money economy, and they were inferior.
President Park said it at another time.
"Japan brought Korea the duty education.
my family was impoverished, but I could have the education. "
He was an officer of the old Japanese army.

Of course, I will not say that every old Japan's conduction was good.
I think that the military in Japan of the '40s was bad quality, and they were cornered to "The Net of the ABCD encirclement", and had gone mad.
A: America B: Britain C: China D: Dutch

Colonialization was no evil thing in that age.
Excluding Japan, there were some countries which wanted Korea.
And the annexation was lawfully among international at that time.

 

[lexico]

Hi, Komachi:

I read your reply, but you still haven't given me a clear answer. After your analysis of the relationship of Old Korea and Old Japan of the late 1800's early 1900's, what is your response to my questions regarding your reference to my "wrong attitude ?"

Originally Posted by lexico

1. Just because Korean conscripts were forced into IJA during the last years of WWII to fight for IJ/your emperor in China makes me/Korea (sic. should have said "them") part of IJA ?

2. Because of the fact that they also participated in IJA atrocities, they therefore are not qualified to criticise IJA policies and their criminal behavior 1931-1945 ?

3. Am I, as a citizen of the Republic of Korea, disqualified to criticise both the criminal behavior of IJ and IJA due to the fact that there existed collaborators, either willing or reluctant, with IJ/IJA ?

4. You, as a citizen of Modern Japan, a government succeeding Imperial Japan, are legitimately "violated" by my criticising IJ/IJA's wartime crimes ?

In summary, after reading your response; what is your point ? Your words are many, but a conclusion I see naught !

note: Your first two pics are not showing; and the last funny pic means what ?

 

[10almonds]

what is your point? Your words are many, but a conclusion I see nought!

Well....O.K.

My point is many Korean people had a Japanese name in China.

I do not mean that Japan did not do cruel things to the Korean people.
People who testify, "Old Japan improved Korea" are thrown one after another into South Korea's prison.
South Korea treated the book as a harmful book in 2001, "Defense for the pro-Japanese sect".
The writer is a South Korean man, Kim Warsop.
He was arrested because of the book.
He was accused of "national affairs crime", and became immediately before the capital punishment.
And, "Law that traces action of pro-Japanese" was enacted in 2004, right?
I can understand a political reason why South Korea delete parts that depended on Japan.
So, I am holding back to your political contexts...


July 1931(Two months before Manshu incident. )

500 Chinese farmers attacked 200 Korean people who migrated to Manshu in mt. Mampouzan of Manshu. In the scramble for water. Old Japanese Government advertised it on a large scale by using this for propaganda.
The Chinese were slaughtered in a Korean peninsula various places.

倭（Jap)奴(slave)嗾（tempt)使(use)鮮人（Korean)惨殺(massacre)我(my)同胞(brother)之(of)血痕(blood)
Is anyone here help me to translate a Chinese sentence, please?

The law that makes the family name in 1939.
The change of the first name is a permission system.

(There is a theory that Korean people who lived in Manshu requested changing the Japanese style strongly.
After the war, the Korean lieutenant general, Kou Shoku, was no evidence and executed.
He never changed his name because of his Ethnic pride as the Korean.
He was neither a Korean royal family he was nor an aristocrat.. )

It was in 1938 that volunteers from Korea were recruited.
Photos of the Korean volunteers that dry run at street fighting was published.
In the magazine "Asahi graph" on March 29, 1939.

The government-general recruited 6,300 Korean soldiers in 1943.
300,000 over more Korean applied.

朝鮮人特別志願兵応募状況 (Korean special volunteer application situation)

年次別 採用数 応募者 倍率
１９３８年（昭１３） ４０８ ２，９４８ ７．７
１９３９年（昭１４） ６１３ １２，３４８ ２０．１
１９４０年（昭１５） ３，０６０ ８４，４４３ ２７．６
１９４１年（昭１６） ３，２０６ １４４，７４３ ４５．１
１９４２年（昭１７） ４，０７７ ２５４，２７３ ６２．４
１９４３年（昭１８） ５，３００ ３０３，２９４ ５６．７

内務省資料（the document of the Department of the Interior of Japan, May 1945
(昭和２０年５月）より
ttp://toron.pepper.jp/jp/20cf/touchi/sigan.htm

↑
However, this material might be notorious "Imperial H.Q. announcement".
But there is not evidence of no truth either.
I want to keep having the concern of this.


Old Japanese Government ordered the military service to the Korean as a duty in 1944.


*************************
I agree with the opinion that "Don't beautify old Japan army."
I think it's no doubt that there were many idiots in the top of the management of the Japanese army around the end of the war.
Japan must never become an axis of evil.
This is my opinion as a modern Japanese.

 

[lexico]

I still don't see what your raw data would translate into as your reasoning that I showed "wrong attitude" in saying,

While the victims of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, roughly 10% of which were Koreans and Chinese living/working there btw, have every right to protest any kind of nuclear threat, at the same time it is really difficult to blame China and N.Korea who suffered so much under Japanese colonialist expansionst activities from the late 1800's down to 1945.

The aggression against the Chinese resulted in more than 10 million Chinese deaths in Japanese hands during WWII alone; exceeding the Holocaust figure of 6 million by 4 million by the conservative figures. So how can you blame them ?

Japan, instead of arming for 'retaliatory nuclear capability,' should issue announcements such as;

The now peace-loving people of Japan fully admit the atrocities committed by the Imperial Japanese people. We fully understand why your missiles are pointed towards us considering the past acts of aggression that Japan has painfully learned to regret and repent for. And because of this understanding, we refrain, in line with the new idea of peaceful coexistence of the new post-WWII Japan, from reacting in any ill-informed, insensitive manner. Also is the wide-spread concern both in and out of Japan that Japan has not fully repented, has been whitewashing its aggressive militarist past, and that it is pushing for rearmament by using China and N.Korea's legitimate response to recent historical tragedies as an excuse.

We kindly refuse to give in to the temptation and pressures to take an active role in any military pursuit whether aggressive, defensive, or peace-keeping. We, as any people of the world, reserve the right to defend ourselves when attacked, but will not prepare for nuclear retaliation. We hope, when China and N.Korea come to understand our intentions from our self-restraint, that they too will some day remove the nuclear missiles they have been pointing at us in symbolic gestures of protest. Our loyalty is not to our emperor, the glories of our past, nor to the war-torn turmoils that we ourselves created, but towards eternal peace in the country, the immediate neigboring region, and abroad.

(signed-- by whomever can rightfully represent the people of Japan)

You can't quote a long list of historical bits alone, and let the data speak for themselves. Please verbalise what they mean to you so that your post becomes intelligible. Please tell me what you found troublesome with my post, and why, so that you would feel the need to digress into the details you quoted; these are not clear to me at all.

 

[10almonds]

as an example, when Japan occupied Hong Kong in 1941, Korean people who had put on the uniform of Japan army raped women.
residents hated Korean people more than Japanese army.

Is damage country of old Japanese empire a acquittal position to past wash?ﾂ

Is damage country of old Japanese empire a acquittal position of nuclear use?

Don't you forgive me usage of my word,"wrong attitude" yet?

what the document is that?

Mr. Einstein said ,

I don't know new arms used in the WW窶｡V.
But, I know arms used in the WWﾃｺC.
It will be sticks of trees.

 

[lexico]

as an example, when Japan occupied Hong Kong in 1941, Korean people who had put on the uniform of Japan army raped women.
residents hated Korean people more than Japanese army.

Two questions for you;
1) What edivence do you have on the 1941 Hong Kong incident you stated ?
2) By saying that "Korean people who had put on the uniform of Japan army raped women.
residents hated Korean people more than Japanese army," what do you intend to say ? And how does that (I still have the slightest idea what it is) make my post problematic ? Please don't expect me to put words in your mouth because I can't; and even if I could, those would be my words, not yours.

Is damage country of old Japanese empire a acquittal position to past wash ?ﾂ
Is damage country of old Japanese empire a acquittal position of nuclear use ?

I'm sorry but I don't understand what you are trying to say. Could you please restate these so that I can understand ?

Don't you forgive me usage of my word,"wrong attitude" yet ?

You apologised about the "strength" of calling me "wrong," which I said was not a problem. But you went on to give me details, supposedly explaining why you said that. It's less about forgiving; there is nothing to forgive. But I simply cannot follow your logic because you provided raw data without stating what you wanted to tell me by the quotes. Could you maybe explain your meaning (=your interpretation, conclusion) ? I really don't know what you are trying to say.

what the document is that ?

Which document are you talking about ?

Mr. Einstein said ,

I don't know new arms used in the WW窶｡V.
But, I know arms used in the WWﾃｺC.
It will be sticks of trees.

I think I understand what you mean by this; that if there is a WWIII, that will destroy our civilisation globally. But I was only lucky; I would appreciate it if you would stop treating me like I am super smart. I might understand the literal sense of one quote; but I cannot induce your intention/idea solely from it. :sorry:

 

[10almonds]

Two questions for you;
1) What evidence do you have on the 1941 Hong Kong incident you stated?
2) By saying that "Korean people who had put on the uniform of the Japan army raped women.

i quoted some lines from this testimony book, written by a Hongkong person.

『日本軍は香港で何をしたか』 謝永光 :著 森幹夫:訳

"What did the Japanese army do in Hong Kong?"

ttp://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/ASIN/4784503420/250-1235148-0423445

The author of this book experienced the Hong Kong occupation by the Japanese army.
he was a doctor of the Orient medicine (Haricuu/shinkyu/針灸).

"What did the Japanese army do in Hong Kong?"

QUOTE

"What did the Japanese army do in Hong Kong?"

↓QUOTE

During Japan occupied Hong Kong,
many Korean wore the uniform of Japan army.
The Korean were taller than the Japanese and used violence very much.
Koreans did intrude Hong Kong residents' houses and raped women.
Hong Kong residents held heavy hate to the Korean more than Japan army.

香港占領期間中、多くの朝鮮人が日本の軍服を着ていたが、一般の日本人よりも背が高く、
日本の正規軍よりも、もっと凶暴だった。このとき民家に乱入して婦女暴行を働いたのは、
日本人の手先となって悪事を働いていた朝鮮人であった。
当時香港住民は日本軍に対するよりも、もっと激しい憎悪の念を彼らに抱いた。

Could you please restate these so that I can understand?

sorry, I tried it.↓

Is the use of the nucleus acquitted because they are victims of Old Japan?

Which document are you talking about?

↓ What is this group?
signed-- by whomever can rightfully represent the people of Japan