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Of course, that should be いる in both cases.いいえ、猫がありません。でも、母の家は犬があります。
Of course, that should be いる in both cases.動物えんはもちろん動物があります。人もたくさんあります。
And the result is a gazillion times better than the previous effort. Well done. To polish a bit more I would say:Hm, OK, let's redo those sections:
Loaded questions that happen to include wrong assumptions are always going to be a tough one. If I were answering in English, I would have pointed out the incorrect assumptions in as blunt and concise terms as possible, or I would have gone along with it by giving some sort of sarcastic answer.B3 & B4 Still sound snotty to me. The question isn't asking if you are a student or not.
That was kind of my intention. I could have been specific about there being no school for me, but I thought it seemed superfluous since the word あなた was used in the question. If I was speaking in English and biting my tongue, I would have said "I don't have a school." or possibly "N/A". Unless I had some motive to answer the question, and in that case I would have said "No", with no further explanation.When you say "学校がありません" you are denying the existence of a school.
Ah, thanks.the answer sounds weird, but it would be slightly less weird if you said ...デパートで買い物しません。
Do you mean しか?Didn't you just learn another, better structure for saying this?
The only animal words I currently know are 犬、猫、クモ、蚊、ハエ、アリ、羊、馬、ヘビ、カマキリ、カメ、ウサギ. Very few of those would be seen (or, rather, something that people would want to see) in a zoo. Also, none of those possibilities are taught this early on in GENKI. My guess is that the authors of GENKI wanted learners to answer 「動物園に子供がいます」, because that's the only sensible word for this context actually taught by the book. I just happen to know 動物 as well (which isn't taught by GENKI I), so I figured hey, why not use it?Hmmm, why don't you use that fabulous imagination in this type of question? It isn't asking you if there are animals in the zoo....that should be obvious. What kind of animals are there?
Why assume it is a loaded question? It is an exercise in a textbook, and shouldn't be approached as if you were being cross-examined in court. However, if you want to answer it sarcastically you can do that, its just that sarcasm in Japanese is a very advanced type of Japanese, so I strongly recommend to just view these as nothing more than simple questions. In other words, resist the urge to be sarcastic while still a beginner.Loaded questions
Again, resist the urge for sarcasm, and try to just see these as textbook exercises. When you use sarcasm you are, in a sense, making fun of the questioner, and it just sounds weird here. Being properly sarcastic requires a very advanced level of Japanese. So you kind of have to choose between making a sarcastic answer that your current level of Japanese doesn't really allow you to make, or just answering the question simply and honestly. As one of the guys trying to help you learn, I recommend keeping it simple.I could have been specific about there being no school for me, but I thought it seemed superfluous since the word あなた was used in the question. If I was speaking in English and biting my tongue, I would have said "I don't have a school."
Yes! You can use しか with the negative of います and still be within the scope of this lesson. But this brings me to the final pointDo you mean しか?
OK. Just know that its very tricky for us to decide when you want to challenge yourself by using advanced vocab, and when you want to stay within the scope of the text. I'm trying to take a hybrid approach where I point out places where you can indulge your muse. This seemed like one of those places.The only animal words I currently know are
That won't fly in Japan! If you ever plan on traveling here, be forewarned. Not only does sarcasm come off totally wrong unless you have advanced Japanese abilities, but just in general you would never answer even bluntly in a typical social setting (let alone with sarcasm).Loaded questions that happen to include wrong assumptions are always going to be a tough one. If I were answering in English, I would have pointed out the incorrect assumptions in as blunt and concise terms as possible, or I would have gone along with it by giving some sort of sarcastic answer.
Oh, I've never even considered being sarcastic in Japanese. I'm even careful with how I use it in English (I use it in a very particular, subtle way so that the misinterpretation still becomes something good, not something bad; there's no way in Hell I'm trying this in a language I haven't mastered). I was only attempting to brush off the question, mostly because I wanted to keep my sentences simple. I'm not even really confident in how I use words like でも, けど, and が at this point. But at the same time, I didn't want to skip the questions.However, if you want to answer it sarcastically you can do that, its just that sarcasm in Japanese is a very advanced type of Japanese, so I strongly recommend to just view these as nothing more than simple questions. In other words, resist the urge to be sarcastic while still a beginner.
I never look things up while I'm speaking or writing as a general rule. I made a special exception to look up how to say "Sleeping Bear Sand Dunes" and "Great Lakes", but that's just because those are notable things in and around my state that I appreciate and I figure I ought to learn how to say these. I generally consider looking vocabulary up, especially, while writing to be counterproductive because it causes it to be stored only in short-term memory and forgotten moments later.Just know that its very tricky for us to decide when you want to challenge yourself by using advanced vocab, and when you want to stay within the scope of the text.
Yeah, another slip of the pen. Or, key.Regarding B7, I think it's
動物園に… or 動物園には…
Actually, although I did try to make it so, that list wasn't exhaustive, it turns out. I also know 牛 and ニワトリ, and while I forgot about penguins (as an animal, not the word), ペンギン is another one. Also キリン, so there's another zoo animal to the mix. コアラ is one I'll probably remember just because it's a loanword.and now is the time for you to learn ペンギン and コアラ. Because... why not.
My understanding is that answering a question with 知りません (or 知らない) makes it sound like you're dismissing the question itself as being unimportant. I got this impression from expression note 8 in GENKI I (when I was leafing through it the first time), page 175. This is what it says:Also instead of 分かりません in B4 I would suggest 知りません(しりません). As I'm assuming you mean that you don't know not that you don't understand.
Have I misunderstood the distinction?If you don't know the answer to a question but should have thought about it, you should say わかりません instead of 知りません (see Lesson 4, Dialogue 2, for example). 知りません in such a context would sound rude, implying that your ignorance on that matter is none of the inquirer's business.
Whoops.You mistakenly said "Japanese school" (学校)not "Japanese students" (学生).
Ah, alright.Rather than saying "I don't know the answer now" it sounds better to just say 今分かりません.
OK, thanks.そのころ means "that time" or "those days." 現在 means currently or presently. When you say 今 it sounds kind of like "right this moment."
I agree with Genki on this one. Like if I ask my wife where is my charger? She might answer 知りません (or more likely 知らん). To mean I don't know and furthermore, you should know where you put it, why are you asking me?My understanding is that answering a question with 知りません (or 知らない) makes it sound like you're dismissing the question itself as being unimportant. I got this impression from expression note 8 in GENKI I (when I was leafing through it the first time), page 175. This is what it says:
Have I misunderstood the distinction?
I didn't even know this word. When I want to say recently I use 最近. And 現在 when I want to say currently or nowadays. You can also use このころ to mean nowadays.How does げんざい compare to 昨今, out of curiosity?
My understanding is that answering a question with 知りません (or 知らない) makes it sound like you're dismissing the question itself as being unimportant. I got this impression from expression note 8 in GENKI I (when I was leafing through it the first time), page 175. This is what it says: