Fudousan/Guarantor/Renting an Apartment questions

[Kirirao]

So here I am with alot more question I really need help with. So heres the story :

Well I went to the fudousan today to get a estimation and stuff. Me and a friend of mine decided to stay together to cut down the cost. Found a few that fit the bill that we wanted, but on the otherside, a whole new problem got poured to us by the fudousan guy. He told us, its almost impossible for 2 person to live in a room. In short he say, a gaikokujin is already hard, then a student = more harder, then want to live for 2 person under 5man en = impossible.

So I'm here to make a few confirmation and questions about what me and the fudousan guy talked about a few hours ago.

Question 1 :
Example > A room 3man en and 2人入居可(2 person OK)
site for example : http://realestate.homes.co.jp/search/detail/b[]=1044750000907/tk=3/bsg=1/route=3/
Problem : Its not that the 3man en will be divided by 2. It means the 2nd person must pay the same amount of money. In short the rent goes up to 6man en. (as the guy said, its impossible to get a room for 2 if you want it under 5man en)
Is this true? or theres something got lost in translation.

Question 2 :
Guarantor. Yep one of the thing that caused quite alot of gaikokujin in Japan suffering. Me and my friend might have no problem with this part since our language school is "willing" to be our guarantor. (read : willing after all the STRICT rules and process). So my main question is, I heard theres this "ayashii(some of them i heard)" guarantor company that will guarantee you for a fee(just in case the japanese language school says no). So anyone can point me to them. Sorry for not using google for this, but if anyone have experience with this company please please please do share your experiences.

note : well its true that the site above has no need for gurantor, but the problem caused by question 1, killed it.

Question 3 :
Any japanese willing to guarantee 2 foreigners+"idiots" who is only trying to reach for their dreams in japan?
Yes, I already accepted the fact that theres no way anyone would answer a yes, and willing to put a burden on themself by supporting 2 unknown gaikokujin for no reasonable reason.
Just thought I try.

Anyway, If anyone could answer Q1 and Q2 it would be a GREAT help to me, and I would really appreciate it. *can only offer his appreciation and thanks for those who take their time reading this or/and took the time to answer this*

Rio Lee

Edit : I just realize that a few of the listing have a "room share" like the one example i gave. and one of them even got a "if theres only 1 person the rent is doubled - roomshare". But what about a listing as this :
http://realestate.homes.co.jp/search/detail/b[]=1015130002279/tk=3/bsg=1/route=3/
http://realestate.homes.co.jp/search/detail/b[]=1032270004536/tk=3/bsg=1/route=3/
probably just my own ignorance, but im hoping theres a chance no matter how small it is for 2 people to split the room rent.

 

[Hiroyuki Nagashima]

窶堋ｱ窶堋ｱ窶堙娯?｢s窶慊ｮﾅｽY窶ｰﾂｮ窶堙坂?堙??堋､窶堙??堋ｷ窶堋ｩ?
ﾅ?Oﾂ坂?伉人ﾅ津ｼ窶堋ｯ窶堙娯?｢s窶慊ｮﾅｽY窶ｰﾂｮ
GTN（グローバルトラストネットワークス）｜外国人向け家賃保証・賃貸住宅保証、不動産お部屋探し【アパート、マンション、オフィス、店舗】
窶愬停?吮??窶禿ｬ窶堙俄?堋?窶堙ｩ窶堋ｱ窶堙姑但ﾆ恥ﾂーﾆ暖窶堙坂?堙??堋､?
窶愿ｱﾂ人窶愿ｼ窶ｹﾂ鞘?ｰﾃや?拿窶堙??佚･窶ｹv窶｢ﾃ帚?堙懌?堙?ｽﾂｩ窶彎ﾅｽﾃ披?堙??堋｢窶堋ｯ窶堙ｩ窶堙娯?堙
ﾅ津ｰ窶凖岩?敕ｯ窶堙ｰ窶ｰﾃ??凖?窶堙俄?懌?凪?堙??堙ｧ窶堙ｪ窶堙ｩﾂ。
http://www.gtn.co.jp/DB/zboard.php?id=pt&no=39


窶堋ｻ窶堙娯?堙吮?堋ｩ窶堙固?Oﾂ坂?伉人ﾅ津ｼ窶堋ｯ窶｢s窶慊ｮﾅｽY
窶｢s窶慊ｮﾅｽYﾅ胆窶禿ｱ窶堙俄?佚寂?堋ｷ窶堙ｩﾂ静?窶督ｾ窶堋ｪﾂ鞘?倪?堋｢窶堙??堋?窶堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。
外国人向けアパート、マンションを運営している不動産会社の紹介/外国人, ハウス, アパート : J&F NETWORKS

 

[Mike Cash]

So here I am with alot more question I really need help with. So heres the story :



Question 1 :
Example > A room 3man en and 2ﾂ人窶愿ｼ窶ｹﾂ鞘?ｰﾃ?2 person OK)
site for example : http://realestate.homes.co.jp/search/detail/b[]=1044750000907/tk=3/bsg=1/route=3/
Problem : Its not that the 3man en will be divided by 2. It means the 2nd person must pay the same amount of money. In short the rent goes up to 6man en. (as the guy said, its impossible to get a room for 2 if you want it under 5man en)
Is this true? or theres something got lost in translation.

It's listed as a ﾆ停?ｹﾂーﾆ停ぎﾆ歎ﾆ巽ﾆ但窶｢ﾂｨﾅ陳? something I had never heard of before. What happens if the other person moves out? Do you have to cover his part of the rent?

A couple of points:

1. That building is as old as I am.
2. It's a 3 year lease.

Question 2 :
Guarantor. Yep one of the thing that caused quite alot of gaikokujin in Japan suffering. Me and my friend might have no problem with this part since our language school is "willing" to be our guarantor. (read : willing after all the STRICT rules and process).

If you're asking them to be financially responsible for the consequences of your behavior, then they have the perfect right to stipulate any conditions they see fit in order to protect themselves from you.

So my main question is, I heard theres this "ayashii(some of them i heard)" guarantor company that will guarantee you for a fee(just in case the japanese language school says no). So anyone can point me to them. Sorry for not using google for this, but if anyone have experience with this company please please please do share your experiences.

The term is ﾋ廣窶佚鯛?｢ﾃ崢湘伉人, I believe. Perhaps that will help your search. I'd give you a head start on it, but I'm pressed for time at the moment.

 

[Kirirao]

Hiroyuki Nagashimaﾂー窶堋ｳ窶堙ｱﾆ探ﾆ辰ﾆ暖窶堙坂?怒窶懌?凪?堙俄?堋?窶堙ｨ窶堋ｪ窶堙??堋､窶堋ｲ窶堋ｴ窶堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。ﾅｽQﾂ考窶堙俄?堙遺?堙ｨ窶堙懌?堋ｷﾂ。窶督ｾ窶愿ｺ窶堙?窶堋､ﾋ?ｪ窶忸窶認窶傳窶堙??佛?窶冖窶堋ｷ窶堙ｩ窶堙や?堙?窶堙ｨﾂ。ﾅ?Oﾂ坂?伉人ﾅ津ｼ窶堋ｯ窶堙娯?｢s窶慊ｮﾅｽY窶ｰﾂｮ窶堙≫?堙?、窶堙??堙??堙?ﾂ鞘?｢窶堋ｩ窶堙ｩ窶堙ｱ窶堙??堋ｷﾂ〜

Ah thanks Mr. Cash, found a few hoshounin shoukai site :
hoshonin-center.com
just need to contact them and see how it goes.

edit : anyone know what's this is ? ﾅ?Oﾂ坂?伉人窶徙ﾋ弯ﾅ陳ｴ窶｢[窶ｹLﾂ催塲ｽ窶督坂ぎﾂ湘倪?督ｾﾂ鞘?

 

[Karamuucho]

ルームシェア ジャパン
A site I found a little while back based mainly on room shares, basically a bulletin board on looking for rooms to rent. Roomshares I beleive are a growing trend in Japan but nowhere near as commonplace as in the west. Roomshares and flatshares mean more or less the same thing, but beware both are used sometimes to mean actually two people sharing one room, like with a bunkbed or something. If that isn't your thing, make sure that's not the case.

 

[Glenn]

edit : anyone know what's this is ? ﾅ?Oﾂ坂?伉人窶徙ﾋ弯ﾅ陳ｴ窶｢[窶ｹLﾂ催塲ｽ窶督坂ぎﾂ湘倪?督ｾﾂ鞘?麓/quote]

Looks like the full official name of the Alien Registration Card. You have to apply for it within 90 days of your arrival in Japan.

 

[epigene]

ﾅ?Oﾂ坂?伉人窶徙ﾋ弯ﾅ陳ｴ窶｢[窶ｹLﾂ催塲ｽ窶督坂ぎﾂ湘倪?督ｾﾂ鞘? is a certificate issued by your local government office certifying that you are registered as legal foreign resident.

It is not the card you possess but a certificate. You have to go to the local city hall (or kuyakusho) and ask for such a certificate to be issued. It is issued immediately with payment of handling charge (which varies by municipality).

HTH!

 

[Glenn]

Hmm, I don' t remember having to get that. I wonder if that's what the "Certificate of Eligibility" was, but I don't remember paying for that.

 

[epigene]

Hmm, I don' t remember having to get that. I wonder if that's what the "Certificate of Eligibility" was, but I don't remember paying for that.

Actually, you don't ever need to get it unless you get into apartment renting and other things that require administrative procedure. The other party in a contract most always require you to prove your identity--proof of residence and/or family registry for a Japanese national and proof of alien registration (i.e., the certificate in question) for a legal foreign national. This might be omitted in very rare cases, such as if a major institution (like a university) is mediating such affairs.

Also, this is not "Certificate of Eligibility" which is a document issued by immigration authorities or Ministry of Justice (I think). The certificate Rio Lee mentions is issued by the local municipal office as "proof of alien registration," meaning that you already have a valid visa and possess an alien registration card.

 

[Glenn]

Ah, I see. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Hiroyuki Nagashima]

Please read here carefully.
JAPAN STUDY SUPPORT (JPSS) has information on universities, graduate schools, and scholarships for studying in Japan
Alien Registration

Always carry the Card.
Foreigners are required to carry Alien Registration Card all the time and present it when requested by a policemen or a government official.JAPAN STUDY SUPPORT (JPSS) has information on universities, graduate schools, and scholarships for studying in Japan

A registration law of a foreigner
When you do not register an alien registration certificate either,
Or when it was requested from a police officer and did not show a card,
Penal servitude punishment of a thing of less than 1 year,
Or it is a fine of less than 200000 yen.
http://www.moj.go.jp/NYUKAN/gaitouho.html

 

[Kirirao]

Yes, I finally remembered that thing. Dont know how to pronounce it tho. But you need those also if you want to apply for a university and some senmon gakkou in Japan (the normal way not exchange).

Thanks for taking your time to answer my question I really appreiciate it.
In the other hand, today we went out at 8am in search of a guarantor, and we got home at 5pm with the date for contract signing for a house Everthing settled, 2 person per house, pretty cheap house, guarantor problem, expensive/cheap commuting fare problem, 窶牢窶｢窶斃?ｪﾂ瞬窶堙??ｰﾃｰﾅ塚??堋ｵ窶堙??堋ｵ窶堙懌?堋｢窶堙懌?堋ｵ窶堋ｽﾂ〜 (all solved in an instance) though honestly it took us about 7 hours for it.

Finally I can take the next step forward
So thanks for your patience and for your time by reading my mendoukusai problems and answering them.

Rio Lee


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ﾅ?ﾂ絶?堙ｭ窶堙遺?堋｢窶督ｲ窶堙娯?｢ﾃｻﾅ津ｼ窶堙嫁津ｼ窶堋ｩ窶堙≫?堙?・ﾂ・ﾂ・ﾋ?ｪ窶｢ﾃ?ﾋ?ｪ窶｢ﾃ?ﾂ進窶堙ｱ窶堙??堋｢窶堙≫?堙?・ﾂ・ﾂ・

 

[epigene]

窶堋ｨ窶堙溪?堙??堙??堋､ﾂ！窶堙ｦ窶堋ｩ窶堙≫?堋ｽ窶堙??堋ｷ窶堙仰！

 

[Glenn]

Glad to hear everything worked out for you. I'm sure that's a huge weight lifted off of you shoulders.

 

[undrentide]

窶堙絶?堙???ﾂ心窶堙??堋ｷ窶堙仰。窶堙ｦ窶堋ｩ窶堙≫?堋ｽﾂ。