Does okinawa belong to china before ?

Did Okinawa belong to China before ?

it seems okinawa belonged to china before.
and japan robbed it .

if so , japan need return it to china , just like japan want to reclaim the island from russia .

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jim83 said:

it seems okinawa belong to china before.
and japn rob it .

if so , japan need return it to china , just like japan want to reclaim the island from russia .

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the Forum; would you please return it!!

Frank

Okinawa has a separate language and culture than Han China. Okinawan people (and I know quite a few) do not wish to be part of China nowadays. They have been invaded and annexed by China, then by Japan, but certainly have a much better deal with being part of Japan (for economical reasons) than China or even an independant country nowadays.

Here's the Asian history buff reporting.

Okinawa is, for those of you who don't know, the largest in a chain of islands known as the Ryuku Islands. They are in the south of Japan, ranging from a few island groups south of the southern tip of Kyushu to the 75 miles northeast of Taiwan. The chief island is Okinawa.

The Ryuku Islands throughout history enjoyed large autonomy. It was known as the Kingdom of the Ryukyu Islands, which had its own king. This civilization paid tribute to both China and Japan, and was neither claimed by one or the other. Thus, the Ryukyu Islands enjoyed considerable amounts of Chinese (from China and Taiwan Province in the south) and Japanese influence.

In 1875, nationalistic fervor began in Japan. Japanese Imperialism hit Okinawa, when the Japanese took over the island, deposed the monarch, and annexed all the Ryukus to Japan. Of course, because the Okinawans had been open to Japanese influence before, and because they were arguably Japanese, it was not seen as a military invasion and occupation, because Okinawa always had paid homage and tribute to Japan.

From 1945 until 1972, Okinawa belonged to the United States. The Americans in a way arguably prevented the Communist Chinese from invading the island, which they would have if Okinawa was made a seperate country after the Allies carved up the Japanese Empire after World War II.

In 1972, Okinawa was ceded to Japan, while American navy and army bases are still there today.

Thus, Okinawa regards itself as part of Japan. Culturally, religiously, politically, and most importantly lingustically, the Okinawans are much closer to the Japanese than to the Chinese. Thus, Okinawa was never stolen by either China or Japan, it was a buffer zone between the two.

Today in Okinawa, there is an extreme left seperatist group, known as the Okinawan Social Masses Party, but it is largely defunct. So, Okinawa would have a higher chance of becoming independent than being given to China, and even that is unrealistic.

Okinawa is Japanese territory, the Okinawans, the Chinese, and the Japanese acknowledge that fact.

Hope I helped. ^^;

japanese kill the okinawa chinese people , then take it under control , then move japanese to this island .

is that true ?

jim83 said:

japanese kill the okinawa chinese people , then take it under control , then move japanese to this island .

is that true ?

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Very true. But it is not as if the Japanese practiced ethnic cleansing to get the Chinese Okinawans out of the island, not at all. There were massacres of all Okinawans, Japanese or Chinese ancestry. Remember, we can't judge them as Japanese or Chinese, we judge them as Okinawan. Any Okinawan who did not accept the authority of the new imperial government was killed. Simple as that. And, obviously, many Okinawans of Chinese ancestry would not bow to the Japanese government. They were killed. Which was the majority of the Chinese Okinawan population.

And naturally, to give Okinawa a more Japanese identity, many Japanese were either forcibly or non-forcibly moved to Okinawa.

Compare it to the Chinese "invasion" of Taiwan in 1945-49. The Nationalist Chinese invaded Taiwan, and once there, killed hundreds of Taiwanese who did not accept the authority of President Shek and the Kuomintang government. Along with them came many Chinese mainlanders, who either were escaping the Communists, or were forced to come to not fall under Communist influence.

Got it now?

Great post by the way...

Hiroshi66 said:

From 1945 until 1972, Okinawa belonged to the United States. The Americans in a way arguably prevented the Communist Chinese from invading the island, which they would have if Okinawa was made a seperate country after the Allies carved up the Japanese Empire after World War II.

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I'm a bit confused and hope you can hone in on this idea a bit more. I don't see how or why the communists would have invaded Okinawa. For the vast majority of the time period you mention (and possiby all if you believe US House Intelligence Committee reports) China did not have an amphibious fleet capable of crossing to Taiwan, much less one capable of invading Okinawa (hence all that missile building). If you are speaking in hypotheticals, on the same level as historical fiction, than yes, you are probably correct about the US preventing a Chinese invasion of Okinawa.

But if you have any sources about the subject I could go get I would be very interested in reading up on the subject. My modern Japanese history is a bit rusty.

but most taiwan people is moved there from china , they have same language and speaking as china.
so tai wang belong to china , dont deny it again .
okinawa is so close to china ,than japan ,

Mandylion -

Thanks!

Well, Chairman Mao always planned that after taking control over China, Xinjiang, and Tibet, he wanted to "liberate" the island of Taiwan and all offshore islands from Nationalist rule. Now. The reason Okinawa gets pulled in is because when the ROC government escaped to Taiwan in 1949, they managed to keep offshore islands of Taiwan, such as the Pescadores. Until today, those are part of the Republic of China. And when I said prevented Okinawa from Chinese occupation, I meant the southern Ryukyu Islands, such as the Yaeyamas, an island chain 25 miles north of Taiwan. Mao could have just as well conquered that as well.

I would give you a nice web site or a book resource for it but unfortunately, I read the information a while ago and I have no idea where I got it from. Sorry. But if I read it or come across it again I will send it to you.

Jim83 -

Sounds like you're quite the Chinese nationalist.

No, the majority of Taiwanese people were there before the Mainland Chinese arrived in 1949. Today, the official language of Taiwan is Mandarin Chinese, which was brought by the Nationalists in 1949. But the majority of the people speak the Taiwanese dialect. Only about 25% of the population is descended from people who came from China in 1949, today in the ROC known ambiguosly as "mainlanders".

And I'm not gonna go through a Taiwan independence topic right now. Because you seem to be a PRC activist I won't get involved in my anti-communist, pro-ROC fervor right now.

Also, if you read my above posts, geography really has nothing to do with it. Okinawans, as I said above, always had closer ties with the Japanese than the Chinese. They paid tribute to Ming and later Qing China, but they were more culturally connected to the Japanese. Geographical location can't be used as the only source to justify history. America is closer to Mexico than Britain. Does that mean that American culture is more like Mexican culture than British culture? Think about that one.

Okinawa did not ever belong to China. It only paid tribute to China for a couple of centuries, and was an independent country with a culture and language distinct from that of China.

ur.... okinwa is the center of asia.

to see this bring a globe or map and draw concentric circles with okinawa at the central point... there, it eventually covers whole asia including oceania nicely. so, perhaps it is geo-strategically wise to have a base camp there for a country that once wanted aerial control over asia with long distance bombers so on.
seems jpn imperials had those bombers or could have had....fugaku.
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Sorry for bringing this up, but my research prompted me to.

Okinawa was a seperate nation. They were neither part of Japan nor China. You could say the king of Okinawa was a Chinese vassal. But the Ryukyu Islands were a seperate entity (with diplomatic relations, etc.) until 1609 when Japan took over. Even then, Okinawa maintained its king, and was a vassal of the Chinese Empire and also the Satsuma Clan (not even Japan itself).

Get it know everyone?