Do the Chinese understand Pin Yin?

[Gaijinian]

I take it back--i love zhuyin fuhao, and I think the mainland should use it, too. It is not that hard, just learn it over the course of three days or so, not twenty minuets, ha...
The sad thing is, I don't know how to romanize Chinese... 我喜歡ㄅㄆㄇ

 

[ricecake]

Good to hear you're fast learning the Chinese language basic " bo po mo fo ",it's a better method than what mainland has in placed.

I've had 5 years of full-fledged Chinese education during my childhood,romanization format wasn't taught at the private Chinese school I attended.I can read high school level Chinese though,in examples periodicals/newspapers,books on ancient East Asia history,romance/swordplay martial arts novels,plus Chinese-subtitled foreign entertainments.However,writing eligibly Chinese has been challenging for me because I didn't practice it often enough in my adolescent years.

 

[uloocn]

Good to hear you're fast learning the Chinese language basic " bo po mo fo ",it's a better method than what mainland has in placed.
I've had 5 years of full-fledged Chinese education during my childhood,romanization format wasn't taught at the private Chinese school I attended.I can read high school level Chinese though,in examples periodicals/newspapers,books on ancient East Asia history,romance/swordplay martial arts novels,plus Chinese-subtitled foreign entertainments.However,writing eligibly Chinese has been challenging for me because I didn't practice it often enough in my adolescent years.

sure??
Can you understand 古文观止？ just a test.

 

[ricecake]

I love zhuyin fuhao,and I think the mainland should use it,too.It is not that hard, just learn it over the course of three days or so.

It will not happen in foreseeable future,same as mainland not reverting back to Traditional Chinese characters.

My eldest brother attended Taiwan's Taipei University ages ago,he was recruited by the Department of Education to teach at a local high school for 4 years in a hillbilly town near Tainan city in southern part of the island.

I wish you the best in your learning endeaver in Chinese language and culture,make time for fun as well.

One last note,My Mandarin is self taught and I can speak near fluency with Taiwan drawl.

 

[seasurfer]

indeed , pin yin is used in china since 1949
but it is not that case in taiwan and hongkong
pin yin is just a tool to learn chinese
since i was a kid ,i learned chinese using pin yin
if you read pin yin,you may think it is like english or some other languages in EU
but chinese will never ever be replaced by pin yin
because yin pin never shows any beautiful sense
but hanzi ,the chinese charactors , has a beautil handwriting figure
it is a kind of culture in the long history in china which can originated one thousand years ago or more

Hanyu Pinyin did not appear in China until 1958. It was only approved by the CCP only in 1979. So it is not right to say it was used since 1949.

 

[ricecake]

Hanyu Pinyin did not appear in China until 1958. It was only approved by the CCP only in 1979.So it is not right to say it was used since 1949.

Since PRC took over in 1949,with no specific dates when Hanyu Pinyin was put in use.

 

[Supervin]

One last note,My Mandarin is self taught and I can speak near fluency with Taiwan drawl.

So can many Taiwanese.

Since PRC took over in 1949,with no specific dates when Hanyu Pinyin was put in use.

Of course there is.

Pinyin was approved in 1958 and adopted in 1979 by the PRC Government. It's safe to say that it's been put in use per se by 1979 latest.

 

[hot12lips12]

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i think the Cantonese type of pinyin is hard to pronounce because the letters have different sounds than the mandarin or American ones

 

[jiggy10]

Hi there,

From my experience, Chinese kids know the best about Pin Yin. Adults get confused (expecially with "jin" and "jing"), and taxi driver absolutaly can't read it!

 

[carolwong]

sure

sure, I know. It just as the phonetic symbol of English.

 

[Constantine]

Learning pin yin is an essential phase in the process of acquring Chinese language.

 

[nyouyaku]

Do the Chinese understand Pin Yin? Is it easyier than english? Does it have the same feeling as if it was wrriten in chinese?

I noticed that many of the Chinese do not understand. But then, I am Thai, and I find it really difficult to grasp Hanzi, so I gave up. I like to use pinyin as it would be impossible to crack Chinese any other way. It worked out for Vietnam, who got rid of their hanzi.

It would be nice if they got a phonetic script like our Thai, or devanagri, hangul, or hiragana. Advanced Cavemen writing is just too hard to grasp. I don't see how the Chinese writing has gotten simplified because to me, it is still too hard.

Learning pin yin is an essential phase in the process of acquring Chinese language.

Yes, and it will be the final phase and the only phase. I am Thai, and jumping into Hanzi is something reserved for the Japanese and Koreans. As a Thai, I think it would be just as hard for you farangs to crack this one.

 

[chin]

hanzi conveys meaning, whereas pinyin just tells pronunciation and intonation. My understanding is that pinyin is a learning aid for students of Chinese that understand the English alphabet, and is not necessary for native speakers to learn. I'd guess that it's along the same lines as romaji for Japanese; even if they can read it, it has none of the history or meaning behind it.

Yes. Pinyin is just like Romaji.
Thay have no meanings, just show you how to pronounce.
They are long and really boring.
But if you want to learn Chinese as a second language,
You have to learn Pinyin first.

Chinese usually learn English alphabet in their childhood,
and they Learn Pinyin too.
Ancient chinese donot use or study Pinyin for they have
another system that enable them say chinese correctly.

 

[Constantine]

I'll be extremely sorry if you have gotten too far from the correct path of learning Chinese.

Hanzi or Kanzi are the soul of Chinese.Without them, you can get nowhere.
Pinyin only services to help to facilitate learning Kanzi and will be ancillary to the learning process, but certainly not to substitude for Kanzi.

 

[Anatoli]

Let me correct you. It's Hanzi, not Kanzi, if you refer to Chinese characters as they are called in standard Mandarin.

汉ﾅｽq (simplified), ﾅ?ﾂｿﾅｽq (traditional) Hànzi (Pinyin with tones)

Kanji (ﾅ?ﾂｿﾅｽq) is the Japanese term for the same

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I noticed many people spelled Pinyin (pin yin) separately. It should be spelled together in English and IMHO, is usually capitalised like all names of other scripts.

 

[Cakeceramic]

I think pinyin juast like English phonetic symbol. Before you learn English you must learn phonetic symbol. So if you want to learn Chinese, you must learn pinyin.
People say that Chinese Characters are very difficult to learn. But I think every language is the same. If you work hard, it will be easy.

 

[mygsdd]

Yes.Pin yin is the foundation of Chinese.To learn Chinese well, we must learn pinyin.

 

[Kiyo90]

I can use it and understand it but it's hard to understand a sentence when everything is in pinyin.
The characters are much more preferred in reading (for me at least).

 

[gagagugu]

As a chinese, I feel character is meaningful while pinyin is just for pronounciation.

Lots of chinese characters appear in Japanese. So Japanese is not difficult for chinese to learn. It's the same as Japanese learn Chinese.

 

[ajin728]

We understand,of course.
We type by pinyin....

 

[catwang0]

Well pinyin is in English, so if the Chinese person (who we'll assume knows the Chinese language) knows English, then they will understand the pinyin. Also, in pinyin, there are little curves that indicate how you're supposed to pronounce them, so pinyin helps with learning how to do just that.

No, it does not have the same feeling as if it were written in Chinese. No way near. Because the typical Chinese person born in, let's say, Taiwan, isn't really taught to use pinyin. It'd be Chinese (characters). I mean maybe they are taught about pinyin today, but my grandma doesn't know hanyu pinyin, because she doesn't know English. There wasn't a need for that when she was younger. But she knows Chinese. So there's a really big difference.

 

[Glenn]

Pinyin isn't the same as English any more than French or Spanish is the same as English. Plus there are lots of sounds in pinyin that you won't arrive at as a native English speaker unless you study Mandarin pronunciation (like "eng", "b", "d", "g", "en", "an", "ch", "sh", "zh", etc.).