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Did Nanking really happen?

What's your opinion? You get the ball rolling.
 
It just sounds barbaric, if the event really took place during 20th century...
 
It's not a topic Japanese people are happy to talk about. Bad things happen in wartime with almost every country that has been at war and people tend not to think about it or talk about it. Probably Google can tell you every detail of that past history event.
 
It just sounds barbaric, if the event really took place during 20th century...
Only Japanese nationalists say it didn't happen, which should give you your answer.
 
Just a few of our older threads below:






 
Konnichiwa Muz1234-san!

Did Nanking really happen?

Rephrase a question,

Do you believe the comment of Chinese Communist Party?

NANGI
 
Konnichiwa Muz1234-san!

Did Nanking really happen?

Rephrase a question,

Do you believe the comment of Chinese Communist Party?

NANGI
As I said, it's a widely accepted fact. Only a small fraction of the world's population - those with the most to gain - dispute the event.
 
The historical event has nothing to do with the CCP.

I asked chatGPT: "Why do some Japanese deny the Rape of Nanking?"

The denial or minimisation of the Nanjing Massacre (南京大虐殺, Nankin daigyakusatsu) by some Japanese individuals, academics, or politicians stems from a complex mix of postwar politics, nationalism, historiographical disputes, and identity. Here are the main reasons often cited for such denial:
  1. Nationalist sentiment and historical revisionism:
    Some Japanese nationalists view accounts of the massacre as exaggerated or fabricated by the Allies, especially by China and the United States, during the postwar Tokyo Trials. They argue that such narratives were used to vilify Japan and undermine national pride. For these revisionists, questioning or downplaying the massacre is a way to resist what they see as a "masochistic" view of history.
  2. Textbook and education controversies:
    Postwar Japanese education has often avoided detailed engagement with atrocities like the Nanjing Massacre. While some textbooks include it, others gloss over or omit it entirely. This has led to generations of students growing up with little or no exposure to the event, creating space for scepticism or outright denial.
  3. Lack of definitive figures and evidence debates:
    The death toll of the massacre is heavily debated. While most historians outside Japan estimate that 200,000 to over 300,000 civilians and prisoners of war were killed, deniers question the numbers, often citing the difficulty of verification or suggesting that many were combatants. This doubt is used to cast broader scepticism on the entire event.
  4. Cold War politics and the rise of anti-communist narratives:
    During the Cold War, Japan became a key US ally, and anti-communist narratives gained strength. Some conservatives framed Chinese accounts of the massacre as communist propaganda, especially after the establishment of the People's Republic of China in 1949. This helped sow suspicion about the authenticity of Chinese war crime claims.
  5. Legal outcomes and the Tokyo Trials legacy:
    Critics of the International Military Tribunal for the Far East (Tokyo Trials) often argue that the trials were "victor's justice" and lacked procedural fairness. Since the Nanjing Massacre was a central charge at those trials, denying the massacre is sometimes bundled with broader scepticism toward the tribunal's legitimacy.
  6. Media and political figures:
    Statements by influential politicians such as former Tokyo governor Ishihara Shintarō (石原慎太郎, 1932–2022) or former Prime Minister Abe Shinzō (安倍晋三, 1954–2022)—both of whom downplayed or questioned Japan's wartime responsibility—have lent public credibility to denialist views and emboldened revisionist historians and media.

Despite these revisionist views, the majority of professional historians, including many in Japan, recognise the Nanjing Massacre as a documented atrocity, with ample eyewitness accounts, photographs, diaries, and testimonies from Japanese soldiers, Chinese victims, and foreign observers, including members of the Nanking Safety Zone Committee.


I also asked for sources of evidence:


There is a substantial and diverse body of evidence supporting the historical reality of the Nanjing Massacre (南京大虐殺), drawn from Japanese, Chinese, and third-party (primarily Western) sources. These include eyewitness accounts, military records, photographs, diaries, confessions, and postwar trial transcripts. Here is a breakdown of the most significant categories and examples:

1. Eyewitness Accounts by Foreigners in Nanjing

These accounts are especially powerful due to the perceived neutrality of the observers, many of whom were Western missionaries, doctors, and diplomats.
  • John Rabe (1882–1950) – A German businessman and Nazi Party member who led the Nanking Safety Zone Committee. His diary provides day-by-day observations of Japanese atrocities and is a key primary source. Published as The Good Man of Nanking.
  • Minnie Vautrin (1886–1941) – An American missionary who sheltered thousands of women at Jinling Women's College. Her diaries record repeated rapes and killings by Japanese soldiers.
  • George Fitch – An American missionary who filmed and reported on the massacre; his 8mm footage is considered crucial evidence.
  • Robert Wilson – An American surgeon at the University of Nanking Hospital. His letters detail the daily influx of rape and mutilation victims.
  • James McCallum – Another American missionary whose journals describe widespread sexual violence and mass executions.

2. Japanese Military and Civilian Accounts

Some Japanese soldiers, officers, and civilians left behind written or oral testimonies describing the massacre.
  • Soldier confessions – During the Tokyo Trials and other postwar interrogations, many Japanese soldiers admitted to mass executions, rapes, and looting. Notably, confessions were recorded in "The Nanking Atrocities: Crimes of War" (edited by Iris Chang) and "Japanese War Crimes: Records of the Allied Occupation and Prosecution of Japanese War Criminals" (National Archives).
  • Jirō Murase (村瀬次郎) – A former soldier who later admitted witnessing atrocities and expressed deep remorse.
  • Private diaries and letters – Many diaries and correspondence from Japanese soldiers were recovered or published, including records of execution contests, rapes, and looting.

3. Photographic and Film Evidence

  • Photographs taken by Japanese soldiers themselves often inadvertently documented atrocities. Some were recovered from dead soldiers or confiscated postwar.
  • Films shot by Westerners such as George Fitch and John Magee depict the destruction and human suffering during and after the massacre.
  • Japanese wartime propaganda magazines also inadvertently recorded scenes of mass executions and gloating soldiers, some of which were later used as evidence.

4. War Crimes Trials

  • Tokyo War Crimes Tribunal (1946–1948) – Japanese military leaders were tried for war crimes including the Nanjing Massacre. General Matsui Iwane (松井石根, 1878–1948) was convicted and executed. His own diary and statements were used in evidence.
  • Nanjing War Crimes Tribunal (1946–1947) – Conducted by Chinese Nationalist authorities, this tribunal tried and convicted various officers involved in the massacre.
  • Eyewitness testimonies and forensic investigations during these trials presented detailed evidence, including burial records and mass grave excavations.

5. Chinese Documentation and Survivor Testimonies

  • Official reports by the Kuomintang (Nationalist government) collected shortly after the massacre, many of which were used during the Tokyo Trials.
  • Accounts collected by the Chinese Red Cross, local hospitals, and refugee organisations in and around Nanjing.
  • Survivor testimonies compiled in Chinese oral history projects, including those led by academics such as Zhang Lianhong (张连红) at Nanjing Normal University.

6. Scholarly Research and Publications

  • Iris Chang, The Rape of Nanking (1997) – Widely cited, though also criticised for some errors, it reignited public debate.
  • Joshua A. Fogel, The Nanjing Massacre in History and Historiography (2000) – Academic anthology exploring the event and its denial.
  • Tokushi Kasahara (笠原十九司) – A Japanese historian who has written extensively on the massacre and argues against revisionist denials.
  • Bob Tadashi Wakabayashi, The Nanking Atrocity, 1937–38: Complicating the Picture – Offers a nuanced multi-perspective scholarly analysis.
These sources converge on key points: the massacre occurred over several weeks from December 1937 into early 1938, and involved the widespread killing of civilians and prisoners of war, systematic rape, looting, and destruction of property. While estimates of the death toll vary, the historical consensus affirms a large-scale atrocity.
 
The question, "Did Nanking really happen?" Is perfectly good English.

Also, when I taught in China, I had many students from Nanjing, and many of them had stories of the Nanjing Massacre.
 
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