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well, i`ll try to be coherent
Thank you, Unjapanese for an interesting information and links, i`ll spend
some time on studying them lately.
I won`t bring any objections yet about haiku, since got to learn more about it.
Looks like outside Japan haiku and senryu are being mixed up by profanes with incline toward 2nd type. Personally, i am not greatly fond of haiku, it`s just a form to express onself, as good as any other. But i don`t find that rules diminish the creativeness. It is what makes form, form is no less important than the content. But again, it is my own opinion
if it appeared in 17th century, as you`ve said, then maybe, just maybe, this economy of words turned into form of art could be due to the mmmm... how`s better say? ... to the "samurai`s mentality". In many cultures true warrior is not supposed to be wordy, but laconic and precise. Besides as two swords would detach a noble from the crowd, un-wordiness would also raise him above the babbling and complaining crowd. But, this is just my wild guess? which has a right to be born and to fade as well if you should bring any objections...
Recently, just no more than a week ago some events made a strange idea to cross my mind. The east and the west, are we really that differen as we try to claim? Even railroad metals share same cross-ties, and, according to Lobachevskiyi, they have a chance to meet and cross in some dimensions. It could be that all these "unreachable", "unbridgeable", "impossible", "hopeless" and such are just convinient excuse to the lack of due effort.
Sorry, but i`ll elaborate this idea a bit lately, because i am not yet sure to what thread or section it belongs, and can`t figure out how to bind various thought wandering in my head back and forth
I am aware that the history of japanese is a great mixture. But still it IS JAPANESE history and only this alone makes the culture unique.
We were Russians till the 988 when the nation was baptised (partly willingly
and partly by the sword)
We were Russians till we faced th Great Horde
We were Russians till Peter the Great decided to bring some european luster
over eastern savages
We were Russians till the 1917 when some people decided that socialism marching toward communism would be much better for the country
We were Russians till 90ies when ideals of democratic world (some ideals are
hardly worth of being called so, but still...) invaded our country
We are still Russians, we live in vast country with various ethnic groups, with
different religions, with weird history, with f**ing damn government
before i`ll go on let me show you one picture and ask, what do you see on it?
pic
Thank you, Unjapanese for an interesting information and links, i`ll spend
some time on studying them lately.
I won`t bring any objections yet about haiku, since got to learn more about it.
But as i said any piece of poetry is written for some auditory (and not only poetry). There were various discussions in this forum about how close related culture and language. And if poet finds new metaphor he certainly shares it with the hope that someone will appreciate it.haiku poets and their readers should, and cannot but, assume everyone
shares a same train of association/response when he/she encounters
the word tomato.
Looks like outside Japan haiku and senryu are being mixed up by profanes with incline toward 2nd type. Personally, i am not greatly fond of haiku, it`s just a form to express onself, as good as any other. But i don`t find that rules diminish the creativeness. It is what makes form, form is no less important than the content. But again, it is my own opinion
if it appeared in 17th century, as you`ve said, then maybe, just maybe, this economy of words turned into form of art could be due to the mmmm... how`s better say? ... to the "samurai`s mentality". In many cultures true warrior is not supposed to be wordy, but laconic and precise. Besides as two swords would detach a noble from the crowd, un-wordiness would also raise him above the babbling and complaining crowd. But, this is just my wild guess? which has a right to be born and to fade as well if you should bring any objections...
There is an almost unbridgeable chasm. (...)
These people, who aren't courageous enough to face up to the chasm,
tend to think, just like their parents and grandparents, that they
can promote cross-cultural understanding just by socializing very
nicely with gaijin while sweeping all the dirty things under the carpet.
Recently, just no more than a week ago some events made a strange idea to cross my mind. The east and the west, are we really that differen as we try to claim? Even railroad metals share same cross-ties, and, according to Lobachevskiyi, they have a chance to meet and cross in some dimensions. It could be that all these "unreachable", "unbridgeable", "impossible", "hopeless" and such are just convinient excuse to the lack of due effort.
Sorry, but i`ll elaborate this idea a bit lately, because i am not yet sure to what thread or section it belongs, and can`t figure out how to bind various thought wandering in my head back and forth
I am aware that the history of japanese is a great mixture. But still it IS JAPANESE history and only this alone makes the culture unique.
We were Russians till the 988 when the nation was baptised (partly willingly
and partly by the sword)
We were Russians till we faced th Great Horde
We were Russians till Peter the Great decided to bring some european luster
over eastern savages
We were Russians till the 1917 when some people decided that socialism marching toward communism would be much better for the country
We were Russians till 90ies when ideals of democratic world (some ideals are
hardly worth of being called so, but still...) invaded our country
We are still Russians, we live in vast country with various ethnic groups, with
different religions, with weird history, with f**ing damn government
before i`ll go on let me show you one picture and ask, what do you see on it?
pic