"Crazy Kana" Illustrated Flashcard Magnets for learning Hiragana and Katakana

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Hi!
Want to have fun learning Japanese? My college-aged daughter can help:
If you're just beginning to study how to read and write in Japanese, I'd love to have your feedback and support on our new illustrated CRAZY KANA Japanese flashcard magnets on Indiegogo at CRAZY KANA Japanese Flashcard Magnets | Indiegogo
I'm a Mombusho alumna, linguist, former Japan expat, artsy teacher, entrepreneur, and Mom who has been acquainted with Japan for over 30 years.
We could use your support, and there are quite a few cool rewards for people who step up.
Please visit for a few minutes and, if you like our project, please tell your friends. It's only going to be up until mid-November.
Thank you and see you soon!
- JennyChama
 
I'm sorry, but you lost me the instant the paged loaded up and greeted me with an image of a furry. Unless you're targeting really hardcore otaku/weeaboos or just people who don't know enough to be disgusted by them, then I'd suggest a little more of a welcoming page. :P

Aside from that, it seems pretty nice. I'd suggest having concept images of the actual cards/magnets/whatever instead of the furries.
 
Yes!

350pg kana book? Is your book full of blank square paper?
Hi, Financial War,
Actually, it's called Practice Paper because it's more of a notebook with 4 different kinds of kana practice layouts per kana. You'll be able to see it on Amazon soon.
Also, it's true that there are loads of free apps, and I mentioned that, but apps are virtual. Some of us still like to touch and feel things, and supporting art is the main point. You can learn kana all kinds of ways. Spending $1 to get a pdf of hiragana and katakana, and to make a positive statement - I think that's worthwhile.
So did you like her earlier art?
 
Thanks!

I'm sorry, but you lost me the instant the paged loaded up and greeted me with an image of a furry. Unless you're targeting really hardcore otaku/weeaboos or just people who don't know enough to be disgusted by them, then I'd suggest a little more of a welcoming page. :P
Aside from that, it seems pretty nice. I'd suggest having concept images of the actual cards/magnets/whatever instead of the furries.

Thanks! Being Mom (and a busy one at that), I'm not into furries and what they do (what DO they do, by the way, that's so disgusting? I'd like to know). It's just one of my daughter's pretty pics to me.

Well, she has a much wider range than that, so I'll showcase more of her work as we go along.

I appreciate your taking a peek!
 
Actually, it's called Practice Paper because it's more of a notebook with 4 different kinds of kana practice layouts per kana. You'll be able to see it on Amazon soon.

You mean 350 pages of this? And you want $10 for it?

Nice entrepreneurship, nobody on JREF would be stupid enough to buy one, you know why? Because they can get it and much for free here.

Also, it's true that there are loads of free apps, and I mentioned that, but apps are virtual. Some of us still like to touch and feel things, and supporting art is the main point. You can learn kana all kinds of ways.

So you business model is basically printing out material what people can easily find on Google then add some pictures. No thank you, I think it's much more cheaper and convenient that people just print them out themselves.

Also have you heard of "stylus", people use them just like a pen and it's good for the environment, the last thing this world need is 350 pages of paper to practice kana (seriously, 350 pages!? how many pages you planning to print out for all the 2136 joyo kanji, even the idiots don't need that many pages to learn all the kanas)

Please don't try to sell this in the name of arts.

Spending $1 to get a pdf of hiragana and katakana, and to make a positive statement - I think that's worthwhile.
So did you like her earlier art?

http://www.japanese-lesson.com/characters/hiragana/pdf/hiragana_chart.pdf
http://www.japanese-lesson.com/characters/katakana/pdf/katakana_chart.pdf

Did I just save people $1?

Yeah, making a positive statement ....... to your bank account.

I like my daughter's drawings too (in the future, after I get married), but I appreciate them by putting on the fridge, not trying to make money out of it by commercializing and selling it with something that can easily be obtained for free.

Once again, Japanese material can be found all over the internet, flashcard, pdf, exercise book, textbook etc, probably the same place where you're getting them, please don't be greedy.

Resources | Japanese-Lesson.com (but you probably will print out them and try to sell though...)
 
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Thanks! Being Mom (and a busy one at that), I'm not into furries and what they do (what DO they do, by the way, that's so disgusting? I'd like to know). It's just one of my daughter's pretty pics to me.
'Furries' are not really anime-style at all, but mostly a western independent comic style. There are also asian examples, but that style of anthropomorphic character was formed in the black-and-white independt comics of the 1980's-1990's in the U.S. Sometimes they are just stylized humans with no comment on their animalistic appearance, sometimes they have extensive background story as 'semi-humans', sometimes they have their own human-free world but are clearly not just an art style because in-world they treat the various animal-types as different races.

There's nothing inherently wrong with the style, however there is a substantial minority of 'furry' material that is pornographic, and some people are bothered by this because it smacks of beastiality. However, claiming that makes all furry fans 'disgusting' is akin to me saying that Tamayo is a tentacle-sex pervert because he has an anime-style avatar and signature.

It's also peculiar to me to throw around terms like 'hardcore otaku' and 'weeaboo' as insults when you're talking about a subset of a subset of an art-style that you wouldn't even know about unless you were already a serious fan of some sort of comic/manga/animation that you'd know these details.

There's plenty of people ready to call a person 'hopeless nerd' and 'worthless otaku' for reading manga or watching anime as an adult, so I'd think twice before flinging a barrage of rocks at the neighbors, it might just be a glass house I'm living in.
 
Wow. I don't know why, but you are not only very critical and very cynical, too. You have not seen my practice paper or the text that goes with it, nor do you know my background or the work I do for the community. Of course it's not 350 pages of blank paper, and it's kind to share free resources, which is what I do all day long and have for many years, being a teacher, a mom, a volunteer, and someone who cares. And I will continue to do so.

Please find something else to do and someone else to attack, because I asked people to give their opinions in the spirit of constructive criticism, which calling someone you don't know "greedy" is not.

I hope your family sees a happier side of you usually, instead of this virulent one. Thanks for looking, in any case. I think I'll reserve judgment on your feedback.
 
And a few last words to Financial War: Likening my daughters' drawings to just some you post on the refrigerator - do you think that's constructive? If you don't like them, please just say so. And lastly, saying the only positive statement would be to my bank account - is that a bad thing? It takes money to purchase art supplies, to print free materials for my elementary students, to clothe my children, to buy gas to volunteer at the food bank - all things I do in my life. Again, it's best to think deeply before you post. Hoping the best for you next time.
 
Hmm, while FinancialWarさん is very abrasive, I don't think he's wrong in the evaluation of the product as it's currently represented or his comment that you're likely in violation of the rules of this forum (although that's not actually his decision to make, but don't be surprised if this thread is locked or deleted.)

It really doesn't take more than a week to learn each of the hiragana and the katakana for anyone motivated to learn them, ten days for -very- slow learners. 350 pages seems like an awful lot. However, 2 syllabaries + digraphs + voicing marks... at a page per mora, there's not a lot of pages left out of 350 as practice sheets. Whether each mora is worth a page is separate value judgement, of course.
 
SomeCallMeChris: I appreciate your way of giving feedback! As for the "product": I thought about that and especially wanted a way to showcase my daughter's art - plus I LOVE refrigerator magnets, so thought why not. As for forum rules, I looked at a few other posts and saw they were similar to mine, so I went ahead and posted. I could have made my first post about many other Japan-related topics - but our project led me to take time out of my busy schedule to spread the word - I usually don't have much time for forums. Oh well. I'll probably delete this myself.

As for the 350-pages (we are so stuck on that) - It's just four pages of activities per 46 hiragana plus 46 katakana plus a few showing how to use tenten, maru, chiisai tsu, etc. The rest is full of helpful tips, guides and references, including free resources for further study. And it would not have been priced expensively because, yes, lots are free (if you exclude printing costs, etc.), so oh well there, too. But that wasn't part of this thread, really.

I asked about her artwork. What did you think there? After your response, I will most likely delete this. I'm not one for attracting trolls.
(Thanks so much again, by the way.)
 
You have not seen my practice paper or the text that goes with it

That's because you probably don't have one, even the chart on your indiegogo page (the only picture that shows kana) is a direct copy from wikipedia's hiragana page. Which tells me that you are willing to plagiarise from the internet for your own profit.

wanted a way to showcase my daughter's art.

I asked about her artwork. What did you think there?

Then go to an arts forum. You came here trying to Japanese learners to buy free materials with massive markup.
 

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Actually, that chart and the accompanying katakana chart are correctly attributed not just to Wikipedia but to the actual person who made it! And it does exist. And on top of that, I created each page in my book myself, including a standardized Genkoyoshi, using tables in Microsoft Word. Again, Financial War, it would be a better world if your kind of immediate attack would be tempered with the thought that not everyone is a scumbag with ulterior motives.

Take care. Go to bed. That's enough meanness for one night.
 
How do I delete this like a bad memory? I like to end the night with my family on a positive note. Life is too short for mean people. Time to go kiss my kids. おやすみなさい。
 
I think your daughters art is very charming. It's heavily influenced by the anthropomorphic style even when the characters are human and not what I would call 'anime'-style, but still. It shows a lot of talent.

I do think there's a large echo-chamber factor in her drawing and she could do well to draw more from life and less from other artists, if she wants to develop that raw talent into something more than a hobby of imitation.
Not that there's anything wrong with imitation. Everyone either starts drawing unstyled copies of real life, or un-lifelike imitations of style, but you need both to really achieve something great. This art just seems to me to be more from looking at other artists and less from looking at real life, so I'd move in the other direction to improve if I were her.
 
Financial War is often an offensive guy. Just go to your settings and block him, and problem solved, you can have polite discussion ;)

I think it's a hard sell, unless you're doing something out of the ordinary. I think the market for Japanese texts and workbooks is already pretty saturated. But all the same, I wish you luck!
 
Thanks for your insights - I really appreciate your thinking about it. I told her what you said, and also know that I have never seen her looking at anything else when she draws (at least in the past few years), although she draws inspiration from all over, and has lots more artwork that shows deeper influences. She takes pride in being different, even in her dress. Her sister, meanwhile, has a more realistic style, very nuanced and extremely beautiful in a different way, but not at all "commercial".

In any case, kids are calling. Have a great night.
 
Thanks! Being Mom (and a busy one at that), I'm not into furries and what they do (what DO they do, by the way, that's so disgusting? I'd like to know). It's just one of my daughter's pretty pics to me.

Well, she has a much wider range than that, so I'll showcase more of her work as we go along.

I appreciate your taking a peek!

There's nothing inherently wrong with the style, however there is a substantial minority of 'furry' material that is pornographic, and some people are bothered by this because it smacks of beastiality.
Jenny:
SCMC outlined a big portion of the issue pretty well here, and in retrospect, I think I should have been a bit more specific since it seems to have been taken with offense. :P

As I'll go into a little more detail about below, furries are generally only recognized (specifically as furries, that is) by people who are at least somewhat acquainted with common American interests in Japanese media. If someone doesn't watch anime/cosplay/play Japanese video games/read manga/etc., then it isn't very likely for people to think of furries as anything more than just "cartoon animals". Since you are, however, trying to reach a crowd that is acquainted with, and in many cases, consumed with interest in Japanese media/culture, it's just an honest suggestion to try and stay away from furries in general. As SCMC stated, it is only a subset art style, but subsets themselves become very big topics among subsets of culture as we see in otakusim. After all, the crowd you're trying to reach is a specific subset of culture itself.

Obviously there are plenty of anomalies, but in general, I'm sure we could agree that most people who are looking to find more information about Japan and its culture online are younger people who have coexisting interests in anime, games, etc. It's totally up to you, though -- I happen to be one of the nerds who've gone a tiny bit over the deep end, so I've had the displeasure of having furry pornography spammed on the websites I frequent, and it can be frustrating for that sort of thing to become associated with the Japanese culture stereotype by people who don't want to look deeper and understand that it really IS just a specific fandom. This is the reason why so many people in America think that Japan is basically pervert land with panties in vending machines and tentacle porn available at your nearest video store, even though most Japanese people wouldn't have anything to do with it.

I digress, though -- I didn't intend to be mean or anything of that nature. ;)



It's also peculiar to me to throw around terms like 'hardcore otaku' and 'weeaboo' as insults
There's plenty of people ready to call a person 'hopeless nerd' and 'worthless otaku' for reading manga or watching anime as an adult, so I'd think twice before flinging a barrage of rocks at the neighbors, it might just be a glass house I'm living in.


I actually didn't mean them as insults. They both have pretty negative connotations attached, but I actually refer to myself as an otaku/weeaboo crossie since I can't think of a more concise way to give people a general idea of my interests and standpoint in relation to Japan. When I said "hardcore otaku and weeaboo", I really just meant the demographic who are into the deeper and/or "darker" side of fandom, for lack of a better term.

There are plenty of people out there who watch a little anime when they have some free time and call themselves otaku, while on the other hand, there are people who spend as much of their free time as possible playing Japanese games, visual novels, watching anime, collecting figurines, cosplaying, etc., who I would consider to be the more "hardcore" otaku. Maybe one of us has the wrong idea about otakuism in general, but I've never thought it was any more of a derogatory thing than to be known as a "gamer" in America.


There are plenty of loathsome people who identify with the terms "otaku" and "gamer", but I don't consider either of those groups to be bad on their own. I'm certainly not referring to the stereotypical image of otaku. Just for clarity, is there a different word I should use in place of otaku? I, for example, play games, watch anime, and sometimes spend time with visual novels, but at the same time, I'm generally a socially responsible individual who isn't completely or irrationally consumed by my interests like the stereotypical otaku (like the sort of people who want to work in "kawaii" and "desu" into their English).



when you're talking about a subset of a subset of an art-style that you wouldn't even know about unless you were already a serious fan of some sort of comic/manga/animation that you'd know these details.

It's true, I do regularly see furry fan art since I frequent online communities dedicated to otaku culture and such, but I actually did see enough even before that to develop a negative disposition for it. I suppose the issue is really only specific to otaku or just nerds in general, but furries are looked at as a pervasive cancer on sites like 4chan, whose communities are are full of otaku, despite being open mostly for other interests.
 
Unless you're targeting really hardcore otaku/weeaboos or just people who don't know enough to be disgusted by them, ...

I actually didn't mean them as insults. They both have pretty negative connotations attached, but I actually refer to myself as an otaku/weeaboo crossie since I can't think of a more concise way to give people a general idea of my interests and standpoint in relation to Japan. When I said "hardcore otaku and weeaboo", I really just meant the demographic who are into the deeper and/or "darker" side of fandom, for lack of a better term.

It really reads to me like people should be disgusted by hardcord otaku and weeaboo, but if that's not what you meant, then it's not what you meant. Just, please try to remember there's no tone of voice or timing of phrasing in written format. Only in retrospect after your long explanation can I see that that 'disgusting' was only meant to apply to furries and furry-fans, not anime and manga fans.

Also I've never heard of weeaboo being used as anything -other- than an insult, I thought it was a word coined by some fans to insult other fans. I don't know how it's used on 4chan, but outside of 4chan it's most commonly used in the phrases '"I'm not a weeaboo or anything, ..." to justify some aspect of being a fan, and "Only a weeaboo would... " to condemn some aspect of being a fan.

Otaku as an English word is another story, that's a word borrowed from Japanese for American anime fans to describe themselves. It doesn't necessarily have negative connotations, but throwing it up there with 'hardcore', 'disgusting' and 'weeaboo' around it, it seemed like a negative use.


Mostly I just get a little peeved when I see fans getting harsh about fans who are slightly different. As if a bunch of introverts with obscure hobbies don't or didn't get enough bullying by their mainstream peers? Carrying that mockery and bullying on against each other and well into adulthood is common, but really sadly ironic.
 
It really reads to me like people should be disgusted by hardcord otaku and weeaboo, but if that's not what you meant, then it's not what you meant. Just, please try to remember there's no tone of voice or timing of phrasing in written format.

Definitely. I was in a bit of a rush when I wrote it, not to mention how off-put I am by furries in general, pornographic or not. :P



Also I've never heard of weeaboo being used as anything -other- than an insult, I thought it was a word coined by some fans to insult other fans. I don't know how it's used on 4chan, but outside of 4chan it's most commonly used in the phrases '"I'm not a weeaboo or anything, ..." to justify some aspect of being a fan, and "Only a weeaboo would... " to condemn some aspect of being a fan.

Oh no, it's used the same way on 4chan. I suppose I really need to stop being such a sarcastic person -- I tend to make fun of myself and/or downplay how normal I am by using quick stereotypes to identify myself or something I've done. While I hate [negative sense] weeaboos, I can hardly think of a different way to let people know that I'm basically a weeaboo myself, just without all the detestable features that I hate the stereotype for. I guess it's similar to saying "Well I'm an idiot!" after making a mistake; I don't actually mean to portray that I'm a literal idiot, but it's a quick, sarcastic exaggeration that hits home.

I guess that's a good segue into saying it was a little idiotic of me to think that people are as cynical as I am. I suppose another reason I do it is because my "realistic" side wants to overcompensate for the fact that Japanese culture is such a niche interest in America, and most people instantly assume someone is an otaku/weeaboo if they have any interest in Japan whatsoever.

I'll try not to derail this thread any further though.
 
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