The declaration of independence in the English colonies that would become part of the U.S. is a poor analogy, here. There is no parallel.
Actually its more like some people don't like the parallels, and so try to reject them out of hand WITHOUT EXPLAINING ANY DETAILS. But the whole point of bringing it up was not to make a parallel, so that is a strawman.
The point was about territory. Here, I will explain again: The Declaration of Independence was not the end of the American Revolutionary War. It came after the first year and continued another seven years. Lots of American territory was not held by the colonists, and lots changed hands during the course of the war. Thus, the fact of holding territory is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT with regards to the validity of a declaration of independence.
Zorro there *are* attacks on IDF bases, and in my opinion (FWIW) they are fully legitimate targets.
Glad to hear that.
Because of a lack of accuracy? Because they are fired *everywhere*. In all directions.
Well I am not going to try and claim the intention of every single Hamas and non-Hamas Pal firing a rocket. Strange, isn't it, that Hamas has limited control and no consistency when Israel keeps assassinating their leaders. I am afraid the Pals may never get their act together on attacking only legit targets until the Israelis stop chopping off heads of the Hydra.
Furthermore, they are fired from within Arab schools and mosques, making it harder to avoid civilian casualties on the Palestinian side when the Israelis strike back. Human shields, in other words.
I have heard much of the claim about firing from within schools and mosques. But I never see much proof. Its just something that gets accepted as truth for being repeated over and over. Same with the charge of using human shields.
I don't trust the Pals. But I don't trust the IDF either. With these charges of firing from schools and mosques, one must trust the IDF. And while I am sure some cases exist, blowing those out of proportion is hardly a path to the truth. Further, just because one of those tiny rockets with limited range gets fired from a school or mosque, does not mean you FLATTEN IT with one ton bombs! What these guys do is not a mystery. Groups go somewhere on the sly, fire a rocket and then head for the hills. Imagine if someone did this in my yard while I was watching TV. Flattening my house and killing me is not a solution. Its just murder. And I was not a human shield as the perps are long gone. What I am is a victim of collective punishment.
But I tell you what, you give me three examples of rockets being fired from schools and mosques. I would like some proof of this claim. Then we can get in to the nuts and bolts of the claims.
But here, you might want to read this about U.N. complaints against the IDF striking their facilities as well as schools, hospitals, mosques and homes, not because of any firing, but just for seeing militia units or "suspicious figures" .
Incidents in the Gaza War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"The Israeli army's investigation, approved by Chief of Staff Gabi Ashkenazi, stated that an IDF tank fired two shells at the house after suspicious figures were seen on the upper level of the doctor's home.[29][30] The doctor has questioned part of the IDF report, saying his home is located in "Jebaliya, northeast of Gaza City, not in the Gaza City neighborhood of Sajaiyeh; there was no firing from his house; and he saw no pamphlets with Israeli warnings to evacuate that the military said it dropped." "
Of course the Israelis are never accused of targeting civilians. Oh no. They just make "mistakes". Oops! Killed your teenage daughter with a tank shell for casting a silhouette on her bedroom window. Sorry bout that! But a kid loses a finger from a Hamas monster hobby rocket that flew over into Ashkelon? Ah, those murderous bastards did that on purpose!
If the Israelis desired civilian casualties, you'd see them in the tens or hundreds of thousands.
Israel knows its walking a fine line. If they went completely mass murder on the Pals, they would lose all western support. Given what they already do, I am amazed they have any.
Military technology is mutually exclusive from morality and from decisions made.
Funny. It suddenly seems to become totally relevant when the discussion is the decision to fire bomb Tokyo indiscriminately. Not saying you are guilty of that error. But I can easily say that the Pals have no idea where their rockets, practically their only means of striking the Israelis, will come down. However, when the IDF bombs a school, they know perfectly well where the bombs will come down. Plus they have other options.
Meanwhile, you have neglected to criticize Iran, a somewhat sophisticated nation in terms of miltary tech, which gives Fajr-5 missiles to the Pals and watches safely from the sidelines, suffering zero casualties.
Neglect? No. Its just another can of worms. The Fajr-5 situation is completely new. I have been mostly sticking to established history. Second, America and France arm the Israelis with weapons used to kill even more Pal innocents, while suffering zero casualties. But Iran is the bad guy?
