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It's nice to hear that China is welcoming our new prime minister, who did visit the Yasukuni Shrine a little before his predecessor did. After all, such a visit is a ceremony to be tolerated by anyone else in any civilized society. See bellow:
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if he visit it again during his term, then it's all over. that's commonsense too.
 
Why do you say so? Do you go tell your neighbor whose father killed your father sixty years ago, "Stop mourning for your executed father." in spite of your neighbor's longtime expiatory acts?
 
I don't mind u guys go there, as long as u remove the war criminals out. so if shinzo Abe visit Yasukuni shrine after the war criminals are removed, then we don't have any problems.
Anyway, quick question, are there any museum/shrines in japan dedicted to the death of Asian people during WWII?
 
No, we don't have such a meseum.
Because it is for the war dead, Yasukuni tends to be warlike, but nobody including our leader can stop its policy and museum in our free society until we succeed in persuading it not to be so.
You are not saying Christians shouldn't go to churches where crusaders rest in peace, are you? For my standpoint, see bellow:

hppt://blog.livedoor.jp/gmt3323/
 
Nice right-wing rhetoric,; go post on 'Young Dude's Guide to Japan', you'll fit in quite nicely (as long as you chase young women too).
 
I'm already too old to be right or left. I only want to secure our human rights given by the Allied as evident in such sites as traceable via the one first mentioned above.
 
In reference to that blog post, please let me be perhaps not the first person on record to posit that perhaps nobody morns for Adolf Hitler...

...second, I've never actually read the forums on YDG, and now that I've read a single post, I wan't to gouge my eyes out. Thanks, internet!
 
georgemt said:
No, we don't have such a meseum.
Because it is for the war dead, Yasukuni tends to be warlike, but nobody including our leader can stop its policy and museum in our free society until we succeed in persuading it not to be so.
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isn't that surprising? you guys mourn soldiers for peace instead of tens millions civilians killed by those soldiers? no museum...why don't u help start one, I do understand u have deep spiritual belief that want to relieve the wardeads, so help the souls of civilian casualties to rest. would you?
you know, commonsense is what we agree with, not something we disagree with, so let's work on commonsense together 😊
 
All right. You are reasonable when you ask me where our shrine or museum for your people victimised by our soldiers is. I'm going to campaign for materializing one like that. By the way, there is some favorable moving already around. The Yasukuni Shrine has recently reopened its small shrine attached to its inner shrine dedicated to all the war victims on earth, and has also decided to change some of its vital opinion illustrated in its war museum as you may know via media.
 
then maybe the next the congressmen of japan went to Yasukuni shrines, make that small shrine as a neccessary stop with medias, that might ease some tensions, but seperate one will be much better though
 
mingo said:
make that small shrine as a neccessary stop with medias, that might ease some tensions, but seperate one will be much better though.
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This is a wishful thinking.

Yasukuni Shrine is also a symbol,not just a place enshrined war deads.It's complicated politics involve here,often plays out as " in your face " to neighboring countries
 
symbol can be created over time, and can be destoyed over time also. But what people always forget is that symbol can be changed over time,...
 
Do you know our premier's visit to Yasukuni doesn't necessarily symbolize it as a state affair because he isn't the head of Japan. Our Emperor's or his proxy's visit is official here. As usual, Yasukuni's autumnal festival was honored this way the other day. This is another reason why I don't quite see your reason against. In the mean time, I am trying to find a good way to campaign for an institution symbolizing war victims at large.
 
An important correction on my last post. A Yasukuni visit by Emperor or his proxy is not official but private, it is the highest respect paid in our country though.
 
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Do you know our premier's visit to Yasukuni doesn't necessarily symbolize it as a state affair because he isn't the head of Japan
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Not sure it excuses any official visit, whether one is the top official or not (using PM body guards, signing as a PM).
 
Just as his eating out with his SP and all is his privacy, our PM's mourning visit with them can be his privcy, can't it? See my HP mentioned first above.
 
symbol can be created over time, and can be destoyed over time also. But what people always forget is that symbol can be changed over time",... .... some symbols don't change/loose their meaning/value forever. The cross will always be the symbol of christ as for example.
 
How about memorializing all the foreign victims caused by the Imperial Japan at a shrine whose main object of worship is late Douglas MacArthur guarding such victims also enshrined there? I think it will work as a positive approach to our reconciliation and cooperation.
 
No, we don't have such a meseum.
Because it is for the war dead, Yasukuni tends to be warlike, but nobody including our leader can stop its policy and museum in our free society until we succeed in persuading it not to be so.
You are not saying Christians shouldn't go to churches where crusaders rest in peace, are you? For my standpoint, see bellow:.................

Nobody says that Japanese people cant go to shrines. Is it just me or do Japanese people go to that shrine just for annoy Chinese ? How childish is that ?

Just make new shrine or something ? I am not JApanese I dont really.
 
Now, you look not so eager to have a new shrine like I proposed. Then, why can't you overlook our premier's Yasukuni visit not as our state affair but as his own privacy?
 
Common sense? Isn't it common sense that Prime Ministers should shoulder the added responsibility of being a Prime Minister, private or not? And that, private or not, he should in both cases be respectful for ALL the war dead? If not, wouldn't that be called- I don't know- hypocrisy?

Your "logic" confounds me.

I've generally stopped posting of this forum because of the rampant amount of ignorance being touted here by Yasukuni apologists and nationalists- they're really damaging any sense of progress if they don't see the whole picture (and you'll also note they hardly ever stray from the "it's a private matter!" pseudo-argument... talk about original). It's not a matter of simple privacy, it's a matter of respect for one's responsiblities and the whole Asian community. Koizumi did no favors for himself in either aspect.
 
You never say Koizumi has no privacy, do you? Recently, our supreme court ruled that Koizumi's visit can be his basic right duly performed, as you may check it via my site first mentioned above.
Our war dead only followed our country's policy, which was found wrong only after your MacArthur defeated us.
After more than half a century, it's hight time for memorializing all the past whatever ways suitable for the parties concerned, don't you think?
 
Mrjones said:
symbol can be created over time, and can be destoyed over time also. But what people always forget is that symbol can be changed over time",... .... some symbols don't change/loose their meaning/value forever. The cross will always be the symbol of christ as for example.
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actually, cross do change over time
Christian cross - Wikipedia
During the first three centuries of Christianity, the cross was rare in Christian iconography as it depicts a purposely painful and gruesome method of public execution by impalement and/or exposure. The Ichthys, or fish symbol, was used by early Christians to covertly identify each other. The Chi-Rho monogram, which was adopted by the Constantine I in the fourth century as his banner called the labarum, was an Early Christian symbol of wider use.

Descriptions of the cross are to be found in Christian writings from the early 2nd century onwards. The Cross first became prominent in Christian imagery during the 3rd century in Egypt. A Christian bust from the site of an early church in Fayoum, Egypt, shows an ankh partially evolved, changing, over time, from a round upper section, to one that is half-way through a "morphing process", leading to the Coptic cross . It is being worn, in this half-way mode, as a necklace on the bust.
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remember, just because it's religious, doesn't mean it can be exempt 😊
 
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