～が/けど

Tomii515 · 29 May 2008

Hi.

From my book, it says 'ga/kedo' at the end of a sentence is something u put for commen ground to build upon, or something.

ex from book:
午前と午後の便がありますが･･･
There's a morning and afternoon flight. (so, which would you like?)

I get that, i guess.

Let's see:

A: 二人の女の子は僕が好きですが･･･ (Two girls like me. [so which should I go out with?])
B: 背が高いのと出かけますね。 (Go out with the tall one.)

Does this make sense? I mean, the 'ga'. I dunno if the sentences make sense. But the situation, would the 'ga' work??

Anyway, I thought I understood what it meant, but now I'm not sure. I've seen some sentence where I couldn't see a reason to build upon it or something...

Is there a meaning I don't know about? Is there any English translation?

よろしくお願いします

bokudou · 29 May 2008

It is like giving the person the option to ask more on the subject. Try to think of it like an open ended statement. The Japanese assume a lot while speaking very little. It is a hard language to grasp but stick with it

Moo tabemasita ga
(I) already ate but (I'm still hungry/it tasted bad/I got sick from drinking to much and threw it up/etc)

Now you try

Charles Barkley · 29 May 2008

btw, つきあう means = to go out with

I think your '2 girls like me' is maybe not the best example. Maybe person A would say his line, then say something like どうしよう or どうしようかな

Think of 'ga' as setting up the person you are talking to for their turn to say something. You've been saying something, you want them to do something or respond about something, but it would be a bit rude to just say to them directly 'do this' or 'answer my question about this.'

A great way to use ga is if you have a request, for example if you want your tires changed, you could say something like タイヤを交換して欲しいんですが or the ever-useful: ちょっと聞きたいことがあるんですが、（いいですか）. That's what you say when you have a question for someone.

Tomii515 · 29 May 2008

Thanks eveyone so much!!

And Charles Barkley, I'm so stupid. I forgot bout that word xD And it even teaches it in the chapter im on now @_@ lol

Elizabeth · 29 May 2008

Tomii515 said:
Hi.
From my book, it says 'ga/kedo' at the end of a sentence is something u put for commen ground to build upon, or something.
ex from book:
午前と午後の便がありますが･･･
There's a morning and afternoon flight. (so, which would you like?)
I get that, i guess.
Let's see:
A: 二人の女の子は僕が好きですが･･･ (Two girls like me. [so which should i go out with?])
B: 背が高いのと出かけますね。 (Go out with the tall one.)
Does this make sence? I mean, the 'ga'. I dunno if the sentences make sence. But the situation, would the 'ga' work??

Isn't the pattern normally XXXがぼく（のこと）を好き when oneself is the object of another's liking ? が is to emphasize that it is the thing which is appreciated or preferred (although that could be what you meant, too. )

Something like タイヤを取り替えて（変えて、交換して）ください。。（XXXてもらえますか？。。。）？I think is a safer way to request a change of tire.

Ashikaga · 29 May 2008

Elizabeth said:
Something like タイヤを取り替えて（変えて、交換して）ください。。（XXXてもらえますか？。。。）？I think is a safer way to request a change of tire.

What Charles suggested is more polite. As he wrote, If you say タイヤを取り替えて欲しいんですが、、、（欲しいのですが・いただきたいのですが）、what you are really saying is, " I am wondering if you could change the tire for me ", "Would it be OK if I asked you to change the tire for me? ", etc.

While it is perfectly fine to say タイヤを交換してください, I think it is better to take the indirect aproach than directly stating your request, which could easily be mistaken for a demand. It has a lot to do with HOW you say it, too.

Elizabeth · 29 May 2008

ASHIKAGA said:
What Charles suggested is more polite. As he wrote, If you say タイヤを取り替えて欲しいんですが、、、（欲しいのですが・いただきたいのですが）、what you are really saying is, " I am wondering if you could change the tire for me ", "Would it be OK if I asked you to change the tire for me? ", etc.
While it is perfectly fine to say タイヤを交換してください, I think it is better to take the indirect aproach than directly stating your request, which could easily be mistaken for a demand. It has a lot to do with HOW you say it, too.

My context was as the paying customer in line at a mechanic garage asking to have something repaired. I am without a doubt polite but don't ask if it's OK with them very hestitantly to fulfill a standard order.

In that situation I think （修理して、直して、取り替えて）もらえますか or even ください are perfectly fine.

Ashikaga · 29 May 2008

Elizabeth said:
My context was as the paying customer in line at a mechanic garage asking to have something repaired. I am without a doubt polite but don't ask if it's OK with them very hestitantly to fulfill a standard order.
In that situation I think （修理して、直して、取り替えて）もらえますか or even ください are perfectly fine.

As I wrote in my post, they ARE perfectly fine. My point was that in Japan, even when they are the paying customers, people tend to prefer to present themselves with this air of..... "modesty" for the lack of a better word in my vocabulary. It might have something to do with our much talked about "need to keep the harmony", I don't know. lol What I gave as an explanation may sound a bit much to some but that is what sounds the most natural to our ears.

Again, もらえますか・ください are perfectly fine ( I would choose もらえますか over ください）. I just thought what Charles Barkley suggested sounded better / more natural.

Elizabeth · 29 May 2008

ASHIKAGA said:
As I wrote in my post, they ARE perfectly fine. My point was that in Japan, even when they are the paying customers, people tend to prefer to present themselves with this air of..... "modesty" for the lack of a better word in my vocabulary. It might have something to do with our much talked about "need to keep the harmony", I don't know. lol What I gave as an explanation may sound a bit much to some but that is what sounds the most natural to our ears.

Again, もらえますか・ください are perfectly fine ( I would choose もらえますか over ください）. I just thought what Charles Barkley suggested sounded better / more natural.

It comes down to a matter of style and opinion. Other people I know would use "moraemasuka" (Moraemasenka?") or "kudasai" in this or any other customer service context.

I'm just curious now, though, would you say "Could I ask you to add a liter of engine oil, too ??"
(Enjin oiru wo ichi rittoru tashite hoshii no desuga...)

or "Batterii wo juuden shite hoshii no desuga/moraitai no desuga...??"

Ashikaga · 29 May 2008

Elizabeth said:
It comes down to a matter of style and opinion. Other people I know would use "moraemasuka" (Moraemasenka?") or "kudasai" in this or any other customer service context.
I'm just curious now, though, would you say "Could I ask you to add a liter of engine oil, too ??"
(Enjin oiru wo ichi rittoru tashite hoshii no desuga...)
or "Batterii wo juuden shite hoshii no desuga/moraitai no desuga...??"

I would say something like,

あ、それからオイル（を）1リットル足して欲しいんですけど / 足してもらえますか
a, sorekara oiru (wo) １ rittoru tashite hoshiin desukedo / tashite morae masuka

バッテリーの充電をお願いしたいんですけど / お願いできますか
batterii no juuden wo onegai shitain desukedo / onegai dekimasuka

Again, I could just say オイルを1リットル足してください
バッテリーを充電してください.

Elizabeth · 29 May 2008

I would say something like,

あ、それからオイル（を）1リットル足して欲しいんですけど / 足してもらえますか
a, sorekara oiru (wo) １ rittoru tashite hoshiin desukedo / tashite morae masuka

バッテリーの充電をお願いしたいんですけど / お願いできますか
batterii no juuden wo onegai shitain desukedo / onegai dekimasuka

Again, I could just say オイルを1リットル足してください
バッテリーを充電してください.

Thank you ! This gives everyone several possibilities to build on next time they're addressing the 修理工 or making a more significant request than the standard/polite "Moraemasuka/Moraemasenka ?"

Especially 願いしたいんですけど・お願いしたいと思いますが、 I do use for making hotel reservations or asking a favor of a government official or things like that.

Anyway, to tomii's original question :

背が高いのと出かけますね。

一人はあなたより背が高いですか。...

??

Toritoribe · 30 May 2008

How about this?

A: 二人の女の子から告白されたんですが…
B: 背の高いほうの子にしたら？

Elizabeth · 30 May 2008

Toritoribe said:
How about this?

A: 二人の女の子から告白されたんですが…
B: 背の高いほうの子にしたら？

Or 両方ともよい。

その両方とも好きかも ....

その女の子は両方ともおもしろいでしょう ...

Toritoribe · 30 May 2008

Elizabeth said:
Or 両方ともよい。
その両方とも好きかも ....
その女の子は両方ともおもしろいでしょう ...

so-called 二股(をかける)?
後が怖そう。。。

Elizabeth · 1 Jun 2008

Toritoribe said:
so-called 二股(をかける)?
後が怖そう。。。

そばに一番好きな女の子がいないときに、二番目に好きな人（愛人など。。。）に秘密を打ち明けさえすればいいかも。。。

私自身の体験から。。。

そして、残念ながら、私はここにいて今まだ生きてるよ。

～が/けど

Tomii515

やった～！

bokudou

後輩

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Tomii515

やった～！

Elizabeth

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もちもちした食感

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