亀裂 / おけん / これる

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Hi,


1. What does the word 亀裂 have to do with turtles? Or is 亀 just for the sound value?


2. 「そ、そりゃ・・・俺もずっと飼っておけんぐらいのこ とはわかっとる。だけんどほっぽり出すなんてことはで きん。どうしてもできん。」

a) Is おけん = おけない, neg. potential of おく (置く)?

b) Is だけんど some dialect form of だけど?


3. 土曜日の真夜中、一番高い塔にリッジバックを連れてこ れるかい？

Is これる potential of 来る? Is this casual for 来られる?

 

Toritoribe

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1)
It's from the pattern of turtle's back.

きれつ【亀裂】の意味 - 国語辞書 - goo辞書

2) a)
Yes.

b)
Yes. It's a rural one.

3)
That's right. It's so-called ら抜き言葉.

 

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eeky

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Thank you.

 

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Oh, by the way, does ～ん for ～ない have any connotations of rough speech or rural speech or anything like that, or is it simply informal?

 

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亀裂 / おけん / これる

Sounds like someone old would say if they use it consistently. However, can be used for more emphasis in casual speech.

ん is the spoken version of ぬ.

In some dialects it is also consistently used but it's definitely not 標準語.

 

Glenn

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Is おく in this 飼っておけん the "do X in advance" or the "continuing state" one? My guess is the latter, but I feel like I didn't even know that was a version of it until just now.

12 （補助動詞）多く動詞の連用形、または、それに助詞「て」を添えた形に付く。
㋐今後の用意のために、あらかじめ…する。「話だけは聞いて―・こう」「この程度のことは勉強して―・くべ きだ」「名前は仮にAとして―・こう」
㋑その状態を続けさせる。そのままにする。「窓を開けて―・く」「言わずに―・く」
おく【置く】の意味 - 国語辞書 - goo辞書

 

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Yes, it's the latter one "その状態を続けさせる。そのままにする。". You can see an adverb ずっと there.;-)

 

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Yeah, I was having a hard time reconciling that with あらかじめ...する.