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-なければ more verbs!

McCrutch67 said:
I've also heard that は is for animate, が is for inanimate.

Where did you hear this? I'm pretty sure I've never seen it presented that way.
 

Now it makes sense.
 
Oh, I thought you were showing where the animate/inanimate discrepancy was explained. Yeah, that explanation looks pretty good to me.
 
I think this gets confusing because I was taught that when saying things like the car is pretty you are supposed to use ga even though the car is the topic.

車がきれいです。
But If I were to say that woman is pretty then I should use ha/wa
女の子はきれいです。

Here we are talking about animate and inanimate objects.

But I do recall no matter if it is animate or not you would use ga when stating the liking of certain subjects like 歌田が好きです or あの車が好きです。

either way we now no the correct usage of ha/ga but will still get it wrong.
 
Damicci said:
I think this gets confusing because I was taught that when saying things like the car is pretty you are supposed to use ga even though the car is the topic.

車がきれいです。

But 車はきれいです is a perfectly legitimate sentence depending on context (as everything does, especially in Japanese), so I don't see why anyone would say that wa is for animate and ga is for inanimate. Also, 田中が来た is a perfectly legitimate sentence, too, which further shows that it has nothing to do with animate/inanimate. I'd still like to know what the source for this claim is.
 
Only half jokingly, it probably comes from a heuristic overgeneralizing watashi and the person being addressed in the majority of cases taking "wa" which contrasts to the "sore, kore" series and most nouns before "wakaru" with ga.
 
Yeah, I had thought something along those lines what the cause of it, too. But still I'd like to see the actual exposition.
 
The bottom line is that this animate/inanimate distinction is impossible because you would end up making sentences having more than two topics which is usually forbidden in Japanese grammar (two is confusing enough, particularly if they were both animate). Even though 80% of the time は is left out when the subject is clear or doesn't need added emphasis.

一般的に日本語では、1つの文章の中に2回以上「は」が出てくると文法的に
おかしな文章です。

Plus such a rule would make sentences like the following unintelligible without a way of telling which one, if either, is thinking of the other as sick.

あなたは、私が 病気か何かみたいに言うのですね。
 
I am not arguing for the animate/inanimate rumor just stating reason swhy people believe in this rumored rule.

too me it makes total sense now how to use ha/wa and ga but i will still make mistakes as even in english i had a hard time determing the subject from the topic, which is why i probably have a hard time with japanese grammar. I can't even understand english grammar
 
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