No.は話していけません。 :sorry:
Really? I thought you could do it with ならない, though (like 話してならない).
きても査証をしないでください！」「どこにしていけないという理由があるかな？」と、領事は答えReally? I thought you could do it with ならない, though (like 話してならない).
The latter sounds like that the speaker felt happy after the actual experience, as same as ゲーム機で遊んで嬉しかった/ゲーム機で遊べて嬉しい. Or, the player may not be the speaker; 誰かがゲーム機で遊んで（私は）嬉しい.So how about these two, how are they different:?
ゲーム機で遊ぶのは嬉しい
ゲーム機で遊んで嬉しい
The examples above are all used as "clause," especially "adjectival clause".
The latter sounds like that the speaker felt happy after the actual experience, as same as ゲーム機で遊んで嬉しかった/ゲーム機で遊べて嬉しい. Or, the player may not be the speaker; 誰かがゲーム機で遊んで（私は）嬉しい.
Another one that I hear fairly often is "sou iu koto mo wasurete naranai." (And we also must not forget that). I had never given it much thought before, but this it must be. Welcome to beyond textbook Japanese. The "can't help but doing" meaning of naranai doesn't quite fit here. ;-)きても査証をしないでください！」「どこにしていけないという理由があるかな？」と、領事は答え
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暗黙の了解はあったとしても、口にしていけないことは、口にしない、というルール、そう
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息子さんがかわいそう。していい事としていけない事の躾がその親御さんが出来ないなら
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囲の人から極端な誤解を受けて、それを弁解してならない事情に置かれた人の味いそうな心持ちを幾
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ヘカラス」もまた奇怪である。天皇の何を侵してならないのか明記してないからだ。そこで調べてみ
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The examples above are all used as "clause," especially "adjectival clause".
The latter sounds like that the speaker felt happy after the actual experience, as same as ゲーム機で遊んで嬉しかった/ゲーム機で遊べて嬉しい. Or, the player may not be the speaker; 誰かがゲーム機で遊んで（私は）嬉しい.
Google searchAnother one that I hear fairly often is "sou iu koto mo wasurete naranai." (And we also must not forget that). I had never given it much thought before, but this it must be. Welcome to beyond textbook Japanese. The "can't help but doing" meaning of naranai doesn't quite fit here.
Well, OK, NHK needs to sit down with this guy then.Google search
そういうことも忘れてならない 0
そういうことも忘れてはならない 6
search result for 忘れてならない in a corpus
忘れてならないのは/のが/ことは/と思うのは/姿勢/最後の流れ
The 29 examples are all clauses.
Someone may say so, but I DO believe 忘れてはならない is far, far more common.;-)
Yes, I too did it and get the result that ことも忘れてならない hit 1,940,000 including clauses. On the other hand, ことも忘れてはならない returns 15,600,000. So I used the corpus to confirm the usage of the examples.Still "ことも忘れてならない" gets quite a few hits.
I guess I don't get why this is such a big deal. Is there is a change of emphasis from dropping the "wa" ? Does it sound really wrong or just lazy in Japanese ?Yes, I too did it and get the result that ことも忘れてならない hit 1,940,000 including clauses. On the other hand, ことも忘れてはならない returns 15,600,000. So I used the corpus to confirm the usage of the examples.;-)
I guess I don't get why this is such a big deal. Is there is a change of emphasis from dropping the "wa" ? Does it sound really wrong or just lazy in Japanese ?
That certainly brings it home.A sentence (not clause) ～てならない sounds very awkward to my ears to the extent that I fee it is "wrong" or "incorrect".
And I do not think it's a contraction and cannot be equated with "isn't" "here're" in English - I think it's more like "ain't".