Is "Gaijin" a Racist Slur?

Is the word "Gaijin" a racist slur?

  • Yes, it is a racist slur and should never be used.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Yes, in practice, it is a racist slur.

    Votes: 8 7.8%
  • No, but it have Racist connotations.

    Votes: 24 23.5%
  • No, it is not a racist slur.

    Votes: 21 20.6%
  • No, it is perfectly fine to refer to those who don't have Japanese Citizenship.

    Votes: 10 9.8%
  • No, it is perfectly fine to refer to those who are not of Ethnic Japanese Descent.

    Votes: 19 18.6%
  • I don't have an opinion.

    Votes: 20 19.6%

  • Total voters
    102
ricecake said:
Hehe .... LOL .... Japanese' self despise of own race is extreme ... hehe ... we do know Japs are very uncomfortable with the word " yellow " whereas they regard whiteness as natural fit for them " Nihonjins " ... hehe ... hehe
And what do Chinese feel about light skin? Are there skin lightening creams and whatnot in China, Taiwan, etc.?

As I understand it, Japanese women liked to have fair skin well before the "opening" of Japan to the West. Not everything that has to do with skin color is race related.
 
ricecake said:
Hehe .... LOL .... Japanese' self despise of own race is extreme ... hehe ... we do know Japs are very uncomfortable with the word " yellow " whereas they regard whiteness as natural fit for them " Nihonjins " ... hehe ... hehe
Why do some Chinese people come to this "Japan" forum to do the racist rants...sigh
 
osias said:
Japanese do not use this word "golden" though. I think it may be a word used in cosmetics.
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I looked up some stuff in Dutch, and it seems in cosmetics they use golden too. I did some search on google for ニ担ツーニ停?ケニ断ニ停?懌?敖ァ(go-ruden hada) and ニ担ツーニ停?ケニ断ニ停?愴湛ニ鱈ニ停??go-ruden skin) and found some sites. Seems it's used too in Japan, didn't get that many hits though.

http://style.beauty.yahoo.co.jp/fashion/column/celeb/20060217/detail1.html
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ricecake said:
Hehe .... LOL .... Japanese' self despise of own race is extreme ... hehe ... we do know Japs are very uncomfortable with the word " yellow " whereas they regard whiteness as natural fit for them " Nihonjins " ... hehe ... hehe

Watch your words Ricecake!!!
 
osias said:
Why do some people come to this "Japan" forum to do the racist rants.

Oh .... crybaby :(

Care to read some particular individuals' postings here these past 4 years,it's not NON-Japanese Asians rather it's " others " :angryfire done much of racist rantings here against Japan and Japanese....:LOL:
 
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gaijinalways said:
Then we can start using 'yellow' too?!☝

Interesting point, but I think that that word carries more negative and pejorative connotations than "black" does. I think "red" is probably the same way. My whole point is why invent a new term that isn't even as accurate as the old term, especially when the old term was neutral?
 
ricecake said:
Oh .... crybaby :(
Care to read some particular individuals' postings here these past 4 years,it's not NON-Japanese Asians rather it's " others " :angryfire done much of racist rantings here against Japan and Japanese....:LOL:

I would have a neutral opinion of the Chinese were it not for the words and attitudes of the Chinese I meet on JREF.
 
Different cultures have different names for colors, and may also assign some names to slightly different parts of the spectrum. Like what you may call green or blue in English is just one word 窶堋?窶堋ィ("Ao") in Japan. Japanese people think their skin is either white or black, i think this also has something to do with how a culture defines a color. It's the same in the Chinese language, too, the Chinese do not say their skin is yellow. (Because "the Chinese suck up to white folks" or because they "despise their own race"lol???) In English, people happen to call asians yellow.

Yellow, according to my definition is this color:
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You know now this thread has turned into a comedy about "colors", putting the thread back on topic here.....

All foreigners here in Japan regardless of color or race are gaijin. Hence the word is not a racist slur.
 
I find it funny that even the OP doesn't post in here any longer. Gaijin coul dbe considered racist if you want to look at it as an exclusionary term for people not of Japanese decent. I think thats one way people look at it. But it is what it is. It's used in a racist way used in a non rcist way. There is no win / lose here. It's like calling a friend Baka or calling a stranger Baka. One will be insulted while the other knows you mean no harm in the word.
 
osias said:
the Chinese do not say their skin is yellow
Read the kanji on the bottom:

Notice the 窶ーツゥツ色窶廬テ、_ part...
Anyway, Japanese has the word 窶ーツゥツ色ツ人
 
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osias said:
It's the same in the Chinese language, too, the Chinese do not say their skin is yellow.

what are you talking ??

Chinese language has many subgroups and sub-dialects,the word " YELLOW " has been part of Chinese culture for 4000 years with the beginning of legendary ancestral emperor named Huang-Di meaning " Yellow Emperor ".

Chinese race is first and foremost yellow people,PERIOD.
 
ricecake said:
what are you talking ??
Chinese language has many subgroups and sub-dialects,the word " YELLOW " has been part of Chinese culture for 4000 years with the beginning of legendary ancestral emperor named Huang-Di meaning " Yellow Emperor ".
Chinese race is first and foremost yellow people,PERIOD.

The country of China did not exist until the early 1900s. East Asia mainland has been ruled by various kingdoms founded by various races such as the Mongols, Manchus, Hans...etc.
 
Well .... these Mongoloid ethnicities are all " yellow " skinned people regardless,a Japwanese person probably have little confusion.
 
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ricecake said:
Well .... these Mongoloid ethnicities are all " yellow " skinned people regardless,a Japwanese person probably have little confusion.

Can anyone explain how a topic that was discussing whether or not the word gaijin is a racist slur has turned into a talk about Chinese people and the use of he word "yellow"?☝

And if the poll results can be trusted, the majority of respondents agree that the word is not racist either.
 
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Damicci said:
Gaijin coul dbe considered racist if you want to look at it as an exclusionary term for people not of Japanese decent. I think thats one way people look at it.

I've heard it used to refer to people of Japanese descent numerous times.
 
Hachiro said:
Can anyone explain how a topic that was discussing whether or not the word gaijin is a racist slur has turned into a talk about Chinese people and the use of he word "yellow"?☝

Easy. Ricecake showed up in the thread.

Next question, please.
 
OffTopic; kinda; sorta

Next question, please

Mmm, could you tell me what numbers I should pick tomorrow for the LOTTO 6.......Only winning numbers please!

Ok back on topic.....

Easy. Ricecake showed up in the thread.

Ahhh so desuka?!😌
 
Mike Cash said:
I've heard it used to refer to people of Japanese descent numerous times.


So why people so bent out of shape about the word. ☝
Obviously here it is not meant to be a racist slur. so can we kill this thread?

Pretty please with sugar on top. 🙂
 
Gaijinian said:
Read the kanji on the bottom:

Notice the 窶ーツゥツ色窶廬テ、_ part...
Anyway, Japanese has the word 窶ーツゥツ色ツ人

It's an adopted western concept. Colors are metaphors for the classification of different races in the west.

Color metaphors for race:
In some societies, color metaphors are used in racial classifications. These often originated from differences in human skin color, particularly in Western societies.
Color terminology for race - Wikipedia

In China:
Huang (yellow) is a common surname, but does not refer to the East Asian race as was popular in Western languages until recently.
Color terminology for race - Wikipedia

A japanese person's skin turns 窶堋ュ窶堙ォ"black", when she gets a tan, she turns 窶堋オ窶堙ォ"white" in winter. The amount of melanin is the determinant of skin color, and the color can range from almost "black" to nearly "white", so it makes sense. At least, that's how they say it in their language.

Some basic knowledge of linguistics may be useful..

Course in General Linguistics:
The basic principle of the arbitrariness of the sign (l'arbitraire du signe) in the extract is: there is no natural reason why a particular sign should be attached to a particular concept.
In further support of the arbitrary nature of the sign, Saussure goes on to argue that if words stood for pre-existing concepts they would have exact equivalents in meaning from one language to the next and this is not so. Different languages divide up the world differently. To explain this, Saussure uses the word boeuf as an example. He cites the fact that while, in English, we have different words for the animal and the meat product: Ox and beef, in French, boeuf is used to refer to both concepts. A perception of difference between the two concepts is absent from the French vocabulary. In Saussure's view, particular words are born out of a particular society's needs, rather than out of a need to label a pre-existing set of concepts.
Course in General Linguistics - Wikipedia

There is no essential reason to call asian skin "yellow", a culture/language can assign any word it likes.

If the origin of modern science was in Japan, the "white race" could have been called 窶堙?窶堙?窶堋「窶堙ォ"pink people", or whatever.😊
 
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Anyway, what makes the skin pigmentation so essential to the classification of races?? This is a stupid idea that someone in the west came up with.

Melanin-based bias in human societies
When skin pigmentation as a characteristic of race becomes significant in some way, this phenomenon is known as racialism. Many people and societies overlay racialism with racist perceptions and systems which arbitrarily assign to groups of people a status of inherent superiority or inferiority, privilege or disadvantage based on skin color or racial classification. Apartheid-era South Africa is an example of a white supremacist society based on a system of stratification of power and privilege by skin color, as well as racial admixture. Similar examples can be found in Brazil's highly socially color-stratified society; and, in the U.S., segregation and institutional racism on the part of white-controlled and black-controlled institutions, and internal "color consciousness" on the part of some ethnic minorities. Prejudice against people with more highly pigmented skin is the most pervasive form of color bias. Many other societies remain informally divided on the basis of skin color and, often, related ethnicity. (See also colonialism, Nazism, pigmentocracy and institutional racism.)

Various presumptions about people with regard to hair color are far less common than skin-color bias, have far fewer and less serious real-world implications, and are more often applied to women than to men. Common stereotypes in the West are dumb blondes, hot-tempered redheads and vixen brunettes.
Melanin - Wikipedia
 
osias said:
Anyway, what makes the skin pigmentation so essential to the classification of races?? This is a stupid idea that someone in the west came up with.

Yeah, why can't we be like Asians, who learned how to despise each other quite nicely despite sharing similar pigmentation?

(It's okay, osias. You can say, "some white guy" instead of "someone in the west".)
 
ricecake said:
Well .... these Mongoloid ethnicities are all " yellow " skinned people regardless,a Japwanese person probably have little confusion.
Are you "窶ーツゥツ色"?
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