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Mikawa Ossan

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As I was recently married, I have come to thing about taking out a life insurance policy for the first time in my life. Keep in mind that I don't know anything about life insurance in the medium of English, so I am doing my best with my descriptions here.

I think that what I want is "lifelong medical" insurance with an optional clause of "death insurance".

I could go the other way, but then the medical insurance would cut out at approximately 80 years of age. I have no idea whether I'll live that long or not, but I would imagine that when I get to be so old, I would rather have the medical insurance than the death insurance. Of course I've never been 80 before, so I have no idea what that would be like.

Does anyone have any experience with Japanese life insurance? If you have any pointers or advice, I'd love to hear it.

Specifically, I've been looking at this policy:
お探しのページが見つかりませんでした|第一生命保険株式会社
 
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I have life insurance. It covers hospitalization, injury, and death if I am not mistaken. Can you be more specific in what you are looking for and I will have my accountant that is on my payroll look up anything for you.👍
 
I'm assuming that Mikawa Ossan is in his 20's or 30's. If you are relatively healthy and not prone to illness then you probably do not need much life insurance. Just enough for your funeral and to keep your wife on her feet (if you are renting) until she is able to fend for herself. Life insurance is basically for the purpose of taking care of your funeral, your family, along with your kids' education, and your mortgage in case of your unexpected death so that your family will not suffer.

Here in the states it is said that one should have at least 5x-10x of one's annual salary in order to take care of your family. The ONLY life insurance one should carry is TERM LIFE Insurance where you pay a set, low amount each month for a certain term like 5, 10, 15 or 20 years and a for specific amount like $250,000, $500,000 or $1 million. The rates will NOT go up either on a term plan.

If you don't pass away after the term, you just renew it, at a higher rate of course, but it is still cheaper in the long run. Under no circumstances should you get an annuity or any other type of life insurance as they are total rip-offs and you will not recoup the amount they say you will no matter how attractive they make it out to be. Just read the fine print and you will see. It is a total waste of money and expensive over the long run compared to term life insurance. Insurance agents (as well as insurance companies) make most of their commissions off of other than term life insurance. Do not be swayed with talk of millions of yen for, if you invested the difference, you would come out way ahead.

As far as medical care goes, I don't know about Japan as I thought kokkumin hoken covered most of your illnesses and hospital stays. At least it did for me when I lived there. Are you talking about supplemental medical insurance for long term care?

Here in the states I am covered for 80% of my hospital stays, surgeries, etc through insurance at my work that my company pays for. In addition they also pay for a life insurance policy of one years salary. Added to that, I also have accidental death and dismemberment insurance for $250,000 that I pay for at about a dollar a week. It's not much I know, but our house is paid for, we have no kids, and we have substantial savings that my wife can life forever on. If that were not the case, I would have at least $750,000 in life insurance to provide for my family's needs. Therefore, neither of us carries any life insurance other than what our companies provide us, which is not much for the average family.

As I am under 60 (the recommended age), I do not carry catastrophic, long term health insurance where I may need to permanently be in a hospital or nursing home that will cover additional expenses when my million or so of regular insurance runs out. That is quite expensive and I will consider it in several years, but not yet.

I hope this helps, but be careful to not be swayed by the sweet talk of other than term life insurance as I'm sure your agent will not even bring it up as there are no yearly commissions in it for them. How do I know this? Because I was sucked into an annuity life insurance package by a neighbor in Japan that was very expensive monthly and I learned later that term life insurance would have been way cheaper.

Additional term life insurance (over and above what your company or the state provides you) is a must for anybody with a family and a mortgage. It is sad at how many people do not have it today. I cannot tell you the number of times, over the years here in the US, where a collection was taken up for the untimely death of a collegue that had no insurance other than the pittance that the company and social security provided, which is usually one years salary or lower and a low monthly payment - hardly enough to even pay one years mortgage and funeral and the family was really in a bind. Do not make that mistake.
 
If you click on the link I supplied, an ebook will open for Dai-ichi Seimei-s "Kore Zo! Shin-Uchi" (THE真打!) plan, which is lifetime medical insurance (終身医療保険).

According to this pamphlet, the basic policy (主契約) with a daily allowance (日額) of 5,000 yen would be 5,862 yen per month. I personally, though am more interested in having a daily allowance of 10,000 yen. Whatever this premium will turn out to be, as I understand things, it will never change.

As far as additional clauses (特約) are concerned, I understand that they are 10year term policies, and their premiums will change every time they are renewed. At this point in time, I'm not sure which ones would be wise to get, but I do know that I can change them in the future if I so chose.

Just for the sake of breadth, I was also looking at Kokumin Kyousai (国民共済) with the following combination: Double General Type (総合2倍タイプ) with Medical Type (医療タイプ) and Lifetime Medical Type (医療終身タイプ).
I don't like to talk about my age and other details in public on the internet (the internet can be a scary place), but I will say that I am in my mid-thirties. My wife has experience with long-term medical care, and it is from her experience that I want to get this insurance, to pay the part of medical bills that the national insurance will not.
 
No, I haven't, although I have started to discuss it with my wife. I was trhinking of joining the kokumin kyousai first, even if it's with less coverage than I mentioned before, and then joining the other one in another month or two.
 
Kokumin Kyousai

Kokumin Kyousai Sougou Type (& Double)

PROs:
  • Fixed rate
  • Cheap
  • Can be linked with other kyousai policies.

CONs:
  • Coverage lasts only until age 60
  • Payment for hospital reimbursment only applicable for stays of 5 days or longer

Oogate Type

PROs:
  • Decent Payouts
  • Fixed rate
  • Can be linked with other Kyousai Policies

CONs:
  • Coverage lasts until age 60
  • Payment for hospital reimbursment only applicable for stays of 5 days or longer

Iryou (Medical) Type

PROs:
  • Cheap
  • Fixed rate
  • Can be linked with other Kyousai Policies
  • Hospital reimbursement starts from first day of hospitalization
  • Can be linked with other Kyousai policies

CONs:
  • Coverage lasts until age 59
  • Limited coverage

Lifetime Medical Type

PROs:
  • Rate will not change under any circumstances
  • Cheap
  • Lifetime coverage
  • Hospital reimbursement starts from first day of hospitalization
  • Can be linked with other Kyousai Policies

CONs:
  • Limited coverage
 
I'm assuming that Mikawa Ossan is in his 20's or 30's. If you are relatively healthy and not prone to illness then you probably do not need much life insurance. Just enough for your funeral and to keep your wife on her feet (if you are renting) until she is able to fend for herself. Life insurance is basically for the purpose of taking care of your funeral, your family, along with your kids' education, and your mortgage in case of your unexpected death so that your family will not suffer.
What I am most concerned with is medical insurance. Of course, I would like to get life insurance, also, because you never know when you will die in a traffic accident or whatnot. I want to make sure (if possible) that even if I am hospitalized long term for whatever reason, that in itself will not put us into debt.
Here in the states it is said that one should have at least 5x-10x of one's annual salary in order to take care of your family. The ONLY life insurance one should carry is TERM LIFE Insurance where you pay a set, low amount each month for a certain term like 5, 10, 15 or 20 years and a for specific amount like $250,000, $500,000 or $1 million. The rates will NOT go up either on a term plan.
If you don't pass away after the term, you just renew it, at a higher rate of course, but it is still cheaper in the long run. Under no circumstances should you get an annuity or any other type of life insurance as they are total rip-offs and you will not recoup the amount they say you will no matter how attractive they make it out to be. Just read the fine print and you will see. It is a total waste of money and expensive over the long run compared to term life insurance.
I will have to do the math, of course, but the insurance that I have seen in Japan does not seem to be so expensive. I do not like the idea of rates going up every 10 years, as I am primarily interested in medical insurance, and I want the insurance to last me until I die, no matter how old I should live. The worst thing I can imagine is being 65 without any insurance other than kokumin kenkou hoken. I'll most likely be living on a pension (knock on wood), so I am looking at it from that lens.
As far as medical care goes, I don't know about Japan as I thought kokkumin hoken covered most of your illnesses and hospital stays. At least it did for me when I lived there. Are you talking about supplemental medical insurance for long term care?
Kokumin kenkou hoken only covers so much. Yes, I am essentially talking about supplemental medical insurance for long term care.
Additional term life insurance (over and above what your company or the state provides you) is a must for anybody with a family and a mortgage.
Yes, I agree. I want to get lifetime medical insurance with term life insurance on top of that. The link I supplied in the first post shows baxically what I'm looking for at this point in time.
 
For your cost/benefit analysis.
When Medical Costs Are High
http://www.kokuho.or.jp/english/index.htm

Case A: One month hospitalization costing you 1 million yen
As a High Medical Expense benefit (the benefit) in the scheme covers you, the actual cost for the hospitalization is about 80000yen. 80000/30days=2600yen.
So if the kokumin kyosai or other private insurance pays you 3000yen/day, you don't have to pay much (theoretically).
But the benefit does not cover any super gorgeous private room for you. So if you want more privacy, it may be an idea to pay more private insurance.

Case B: For your 2101: A mortgage Odyssey after buying a house in Japan.
Check your contract and you come to know your life is also insured in the mortgage. So your family can live in the house with the mortgage insurance.

Off-topic
The NHI also covers some treatment when you travel abroad. (no coverage if you go somewhere for the treatment purpose.)
When I was sick in Cambodia and paid 100USD there, about 3000JPY was returned after applying to the city office.
Ask your city office for more info.
 
Thank you for the link. I followed until I got here: ˆ¤'mŒ§'Ì'•Û'ÅŽó'¯'ç'ê'é‹‹•t'É'Â'¢'Äbˆ¤'mŒ§'–¯Œ'N•ÛŒ¯'c'̘A‡‰ï
but that didn't tell me anything I didn't already know, unfortunately.

Where did you get your numbers? And your numbers don't include any potential surgery and testing costs, I assume, which would increase the cost quite a bit.

Do you know of any forums in Japanese where I could ask for advice? I am quickly learning the limitations of these forums in English....
 
Alico lifetime medical insurance

Sukoshi de Anshin
Of this company, this policy seems the best to me, although the price calculator does not show what the premium would be if you want to take the option of only paying until 60 years of age.

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This one gives me the impression of something going on. I assume that they charge a higher premium to offset the "bonuses" for good health. I'd rather pay a lower premium and forgo the "bonuses".

Issyou Omakase Nyuuin Hoken
This one doesn't strike me as being very different from the first policy listed on this page aside from the "bonus" which I'm not interested in anyway.
 
The numbers does not matter, but it is good to remember the maximum payment for one month under the NHI.
This is another kyosai, Aichi prefecture kyosai. (sorry if this another kyosai info makes you confused, but this is to explain the numbers.)
ページが見つかりません|県民共済愛知県生協
Cerebral vascular related disease
Average hospitalization 101.7 days
Av. medical cost/day 21,109yen
Total medical cost 2,146,785yen
If you only see the figures above, many would be scared. But then the site explains the maximum payment under the NHI scheme.
So far, the "bonuses" or the discount rate of the Aichi kenmin kyosai seems slightly better than Kokumin kyosai.
窶伉債坂?。窶「テ崢湘。ナ耽 31.50ツ≫?彈/I] of the premium will be returned. And the kyosai regularly gives you a chance to win a Dragons' ballgame ticket.
 
Hey everyone I have nothing to contribute here...but I am in the same position as Mikawa. My wife wants to take out life insurance as we now have a child. I don't know the specifics but she came to me with a plan that would be 20,000yen/month! She ended by saying when he turns a certain age he will get some back? I said hold the phone because that sounds ridiculously high. My Japanese is not very good so the insurance pamphlets make no sense to me.

What I am looking for is:
*Funeral expenses paid
*Enough money to support the family for a term in case of death.
*Reasonable medical bills. In case of hospital stay. ( I am Canadian. If I need to be hospitalized for long term I will just go home. As we have free health care.) But I still need coverage for semi-long term for whatever reason in Japan for my family.

Is term life best?
What is a reasonable monthly fee? (20,000yen) sounds utterly ridiculous that is almost 1 months rent here in the country!
What companies are best to deal with here in Japan?
 
I hope you are talking about life insurance for you and not your child. A child in tghis day and age does not need life insurance. If you have a child tghen you'd be foolish not to have it.

Read what I wrote above. The amount you are quoting is ridiculously high and sounds like an annuity of which you will never get back what you put into it. At your age I would go for term life for both you and the wife, especially if she is working and contributing to the family income.
 
Pachipro, what insurance company did you have dealings with here in Japan?

I talked to the people at Daiichi Seimei, and they said that for a bare bones contract of the type I linked to in my OP, it would cost about 20,000yen a month. Included is the "income support" clause that would give a pension of 1,200,000 a year in certain cases.

I have to admit that I was thinking pretty highly of this company, but I'm having second thoughts.

Sparky, Kokumin Kyosai might be something you'd be interested in.
 
I'll have to ask my wife if she remembers as we are going back over 20 years. However, the price you are quoting is nowhere near what we were paying even if you take inflation into account. I believe we were paying something like 7,000 yen per month for a 10 million yen insurance annuity. You might also want to look into some foreign life insurance companies as I hear they are now in Japan.

I know you are looking for additional medical care insurance also and I did not have that as the insurance we were receiving from the government seemed to be adequate. I still think you should continue shopping around though as I'm sure you can get something cheaper, but then again, Japan just may be that expensive for life insurance and supplemental medical insurance.
 
I had decided to take the kokumin kyousai (Sougou Type Double) with ARIKO's Sukoshi de Anshin, but then as I was filling out a test copy of the application form, I can'T enroll in Ariko's insurance because I am a U.S. citizen.

Back to square one....
 
Hello everyone. I know I am reviving an old thread, but it seemed the best one to try, since the title is the same. I am an English student, writing a mystery story that takes place in Japan. For my story, I need to know if it is possible to take out an insurance policy on someone else without their knowledge, in the Japanese insurance market? Also, I need to know if it is true that suicide as the cause of death does not invalidate the insurance policy? Thank you all, in advance, for any information provided.

--elleemmiss (ellemum)
 
Hello everyone. I know I am reviving an old thread, but it seemed the best one to try, since the title is the same. I am an English student, writing a mystery story that takes place in Japan. For my story, I need to know if it is possible to take out an insurance policy on someone else without their knowledge, in the Japanese insurance market? Also, I need to know if it is true that suicide as the cause of death does not invalidate the insurance policy? Thank you all, in advance, for any information provided.

I am sure there are more knowledgeable members here on the forum, but I have been refused by a couple of life insurance companies for not being able to read and comprehend the Japanese-language stipulations of their life insurance contracts in their entirety, policies that were intended to be taken out on my wife's behalf.

If I remember correctly, there were a few prominent cases of life insurance fraud in the 90s and early 2000s, so I assume Japanese life insurance companies have taken steps to prevent such scams in the future.

Therefore, I seriously doubt that this is possible, even in case only Japanese parties are involved.
 
I believe it has been impossible to take out a policy unbeknownst to the insured party for quite a long time now. The suicide exemption is, I believe, for a period of one year after issuance of the policy.

There was a famous case several years ago about a small company in financial trouble which managed to convince one of the office ladies to take out a large policy with the company as the beneficiary and one year later to commit suicide for the benefit of the remaining people. Amazingly enough....she went through with it.
 
I am sure there are more knowledgeable members here on the forum, but I have been refused by a couple of life insurance companies for not being able to read and comprehend the Japanese-language stipulations of their life insurance contracts in their entirety, policies that were intended to be taken out on my wife's behalf.

Thomas, thank you for your response. I didn't think it was possible, but I'm never certain what might be acceptable in a culture different from my own, so I thought it best to check. This will help the plot of my story. Thanks again!

elleemmiss (ellemum)

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I believe it has been impossible to take out a policy unbeknownst to the insured party for quite a long time now. The suicide exemption is, I believe, for a period of one year after issuance of the policy.

There was a famous case several years ago about a small company in financial trouble which managed to convince one of the office ladies to take out a large policy with the company as the beneficiary and one year later to commit suicide for the benefit of the remaining people. Amazingly enough....she went through with it.

Mike, thank you for your response. I'm not certain what you mean about the year's exemption. Are you saying that the year's exemption is for claiming the policy after the person has died, or for a different reason? Thanks again!

elleemmiss (ellemum)
 
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