Sexuality

[Haruspex]

walking up to some random chap on the street and doing it. Although the latter is probably a good way to lose a few teeth.

Lol someone who's dumb enough to do that surely doesn't deserve his teeth.

 

[karlyboo]

Lol someone who's dumb enough to do that surely doesn't deserve his teeth.

Sadly I seem to attract morons of exactly that level of intelligence like a fly to honey This summer I was attacked at a bus-stop by a damn kid (early-mid teens) whilst his mother looked on approvingly. Punched me in the back, in the face and then yanked my hair (with hair my length, that hurts). I'd have smacked the little b****** back but there's no way I could have fought back and come off like the better man.

The police turned up and arrested him but he was never charged through 'lack of evidence'. Considering it happened in a public place with about 50 people around that was a bit of a stretch. In true British style though I think they all looked the other way and pretended nothing was happening.

 

[Haruspex]

Yeah I know, long hair gets in the way all the time.
But why did he attack you?
The skin around a person's hair is rather sensitive, so a strong pull is enough to confuse the opponent, that happened, didn't it?

 

[karlyboo]

Yeah I know, long hair gets in the way all the time.
But why did he attack you?
The skin around a person's hair is rather sensitive, so a strong pull is enough to confuse the opponent, that happened, didn't it?

I'm not sure why myself. I'm loathe to write it down to 'Because he was a gobby, arrogant little **** who just fancied it' but I'm not left with much choice

 

[Dimitree]

I hope i don't get flamed for this but here goes

Gay is wrong/ Bi also.

Why ?
Simple ... you just have to imagine for a moment what kind of person you must be in order to love your own sex, also imagine what kind of a person you must be to love having sex with them ...

I am 100% sure that if you are able to make yourself feel like a gay for just a moment you will understand why it's wrong.

I have nothing against gay/bi people but i will never ever ever say or think that what they chose to be is normal.


ok now you can start flaming me ☝

 

[Haruspex]

Okay now let me say something lol, I don't agree with Scorpion da Black that homosexuality is wrong, but he at least has arguments, unlike you who has none, now what are we talking about? Why say things simply for the sake of saying them? Besides, if you think like a gay person, being gay will be quite natural since if a gay person thought that being gay is unnatural he probably wouldn't be gay, and so he couldn't think it all through... lol

 

[Dimitree]

Why don't you read my post again ? Maby this time you will se all the words i wrote and take them in account ?
I sayd "I am 100% sure that if you are able to make yourself feel like a gay for just a moment" notice the just a moment words ?
and i would ask you the same question

Why say things simply for the sake of saying them?

Ofc that a killer finds it normal to kill.
And a rapist to rape.

My point was that if you can imagine being a gay ( imagine loving that male behind and so on and so on and all the tings that gey people love )for just a moment you will know why it's not normal and wrong.

 

[Haruspex]

If they found it so damn wrong and horrible they wouldn't do it, its an URGE. And if you start thinking how "urges work", and "think (work) like them", you'll soon find yourself attempting to have sexual contact with anything thats has 35+ celsius body heat, and belongs to our species.

 

[Dimitree]

They can't find it wrong because they accept it as normal ... you sayd it yourself ... My example was for people who are wondering if its OK or not.
And if you think that gey people have an "Urge" for a lifetime then maby the word Urge just got a new meaning in my poor english vocab ...
And if you are saying that gay people are just normal people in every way but from time to time ( aprox 99% ) of their lifetime they have the Urge to dress like the opposite sex and have sex with the same sex then wow ...
what can i say
☝
Why discuss things that you obviusly so poorly understand ?
I see you are a simple kind of person who thinks that if something mews it's a cat.
To be a gay you need a complete personality change, world view change, and God knows what else change.
And you bring it to a "Urge" ....

 

[Haruspex]

There's one simple thing here, and its not my way of thinking, but the fact that you exactly have 0 valid arguments.
To tell the truth it is not me who is as simple as a brick.
Perhaps you believe that homosexual people are from Mars? Or perhaps Pluto just to illustrate how "exotic" they are?
An urge to dress as females 99% of their lifetime huh?
I am rather sure that such beliefs are false, on the other hand I have the feeling that there are too many people who tend to point at others 99% of the time when their flaws are hidden by a magical sheet of glass, namely a monitor.
A normal person doesn't have an urge to dress any particular way all his bloody lifetime, every single second. Homosexual people are no different, and its not like all of them want to dress as females, not all of them. You probably saw two stereotypes in a film, and now you're jumping to conclusions. I see no other explanation. And most people don't have an urge to have sex with either gender 99% of their lifetime either, so why would homosexuals have an urge to have sex with their own gender all the time?
In all honesty, the picture you draw is nothing but a cheap stereotype, one that reeks of immaturity and ignorance.

 

[Dimitree]

I think this is my last attemp to communicate with you

It's you who states that they have URGE not me Are you confused today ?

"If they found it so damn wrong and horrible they wouldn't do it, its an URGE "

Are you still confused about whos believing what ?
Let me quote it just one more time because i know that you don't read what people write

"If they found it so damn wrong and horrible they wouldn't do it, its an URGE "

And here you are acusing me for beliving what You stated

I'll just quote it for a third time just in case

"If they found it so damn wrong and horrible they wouldn't do it, its an URGE "

Hopefuly this forum provides the ignore future so i will not have the luck of reading nonsesn from you any more

Glory to God i will be spared ^_^ thank you BB

 

[Haruspex]

An urge doesn't mean that they're drooling just to do each other, l2lookupwordsinagodforsakendictionary.
And im not saying that they don't have an urge to initiate sexual contact with each other, simply stating that THEY DON'T HAVE IT ALL THE BLOODY TIME FROM SUNRISE TO SUNSET.
In a nutshell.
Btw, you didn't ignore me, you are waiting for the responses hoping that they will agree with your opinion, in case they won't, most likely I will remain "ignored", if they do you will probably launch a hate Crusade. My my.

 

[scorpion da black]

well, dimitree san....i agree with you and i know why you choose to be against homosexuality...

i am against as well....so dont be ashamed of saying your opinion.

 

[Mars Man]

And if you are saying that gay people are just normal people in every way but from time to time ( aprox 99% ) of their lifetime they have the Urge to dress like the opposite sex and have sex with the same sex then wow ...
what can i say . . .
To be a gay you need a complete personality change, world view change,

It appears obvious that you have not read the entire thread, Dimitree san. I would strongly encourage you to do so. I would also encourage to you present arguments with stats, facts, and data behind them, for your conclusions.

Then, please do be careful with the 'lean' in your posts. . . though we all here give room for variations in English, it is good to be careful.

It is a fact, nevertheless, that if the religious belief-systems which you and scorpion da black san adhere to had not taught that homosexuality was 'wrong' (for the reasons given by those same belief-systems as to how/why it had been considered 'wrong') neither of you would likely being making such statements other than due to your particular biological brain state.

 

[Dimitree]

It appears obvious that you have not read the entire thread, Dimitree san. I would strongly encourage you to do so. I would also encourage to you present arguments with stats, facts, and data behind them, for your conclusions.
Then, please do be careful with the 'lean' in your posts. . . though we all here give room for variations in English, it is good to be careful.
It is a fact, nevertheless, that if the religious belief-systems which you and scorpion da black san adhere to had not taught that homosexuality was 'wrong' (for the reasons given by those same belief-systems as to how/why it had been considered 'wrong') neither of you would likely being making such statements other than due to your particular biological brain state.

Thank you for asuming so much
Like i sayd (somewhere) i do my reality check and don't blindly rely on anything ever sayd by anyone.

You guys want arguments ? What arguments ? i don't understand
Gay people are totaly different people because (most of them) have normal biological bodys yet they don't show the "normal" behavior for their sex.
They feel like they are in the wrong skin/body.
The others who don't think that are showing attraction to the same sex which in my understanding in nothing short then desaster for the biological survival of men.( here some not "religius" related data i hope ... )
I don't understand why and how such a person is to be considered normal ?

And what do you mean with the "'lean' in your posts" please speak to me with avarage English words and avarage english meanings ☝ i don't understand

edit: hmm come to think of it i don't remamber or think that anything i sayd has anything to do with any religion :/

 

[karlyboo]

Good style, Dimitree, just repeat your opinion over and over and eventually it will become commonly accepted fact. Well done, sir.

Those of you out there who actually either a. know what you're talking about or b. have at least given some thought to why you hold the opinions you do could learn a thing or two from this 'un.

On a non-sarcastic note I find it almost incredible that you honestly think you can lecture homosexuals/bisexuals with an argument that essentially runs 'Gayness is bad lol. Why? Cos if you were gay you'd know why.'

You clearly have absolutely no concept of differentiation between homosexuality, transvestism and transsexuality for a start... perhaps having a grasp of the subject matter would make your input on the subject more valuable?

The kitty has claws! My apologies to anyone else having to read my sarcastic diatribe...

 

[Mars Man]

If it is true then, Dimitree san, that you have read the entire thread, please provide the database and evidence that will, beyond a doubt, refute what has been shown here as backed up by much study, testing, and observation.

In doing so, please answer these questions and provide source material to back up your claims:

What makes a male homo sapien different from a female homo sapien?

What is the difference between the genetical sex state, and the biological sex state?

What is the general percentage of homosexuality among the animal species including the homo sapien?

To what degree to neuropeptides play a role in sexual state, personality, and general mental disposition?

Where can the line be drawn, if, in fact it can be, between human and female, human and male, chimpanzee and female, chimpanzee and male, rodent and female, rodent and male? (and please explain why or why not a line can actually be drawn) [that's six items]

Against which social group (regardless of size and chronological concerns) or person, can we make a comparison so as to distinguish 'normal' from 'not normal' and in what ways can it be shown one is thus 'normal' while the other is not?​

And what do you mean with the "'lean' in your posts" please speak to me with avarage English words and avarage english meanings

You can understand the noun and verb 'lean,' by looking it up in dictionary. When a written proposition is said to have a 'lean' (noun) or to 'lean' in a certain direction, it is usually meant to say that there is a high degree of some property carried by the content or the style or writing. My reason for having asked you to be careful with the 'lean' in your posts, was because I wish to prevent unnecessary scenes in this Serious Discussions fora--your posts tend to come across as shouting, for some reason.

edit: hmm come to think of it i don't remamber or think that anything i sayd has anything to do with any religion :/

To claim that homosexuality is 'wrong' is to automatically assert that there is a moral issue involved. Moral issues which decree homosexuality as 'wrong' are religious belief-system based--both culturally and historically.

 

[Haruspex]

A great post, the one above. But in my opinion there is no need to be scientific with someone who presented exactly 0 arguments, 0 facts and zilch evidences.
I shall dumb it down to a level, where I can happily smile about it: Dimitree is shooting into the air with blind bullets, spreading his beliefs based on his "gut judgment's".

Now, thinking about it, Im a very romantic person when it comes to the passage of time, and right at the moment I have this feeling, a mixture of nostalgia, sadness and only God knows what else. The Subject is the kind of person who decides to swim against the waves, but quits halfway, because he realizes there's nothing to gain in the end, since he failed with showing off his character, and promoting himself.
It is but hunch, but I think the subject will not exceed

 

[Skullcrushergurl]

MarsMan-san is awesome!
No one can call anyone else's sexual lifestyle wrong. It's disrespectful. This thread is to state your opinion and why IN A RESPECTFUL manner. If you don't agree just say it.
If it is against your ownbeliefs then so be it but don't bash other people because they aren't like you. State your views, don't try to force them on others.
Dimitree:I read your posts and it did seem...a little on the edge. Calm down hun. It isn't the end of the world.

 

[Dimitree]

If it is true then, Dimitree san, that you have read the entire thread, please provide the database and evidence that will, beyond a doubt, refute what has been shown here as backed up by much study, testing, and observation.
In doing so, please answer these questions and provide source material to back up your claims:

What makes a male homo sapien different from a female homo sapien?
What is the difference between the genetical sex state, and the biological sex state?
What is the general percentage of homosexuality among the animal species including the homo sapien?
To what degree to neuropeptides play a role in sexual state, personality, and general mental disposition?
Where can the line be drawn, if, in fact it can be, between human and female, human and male, chimpanzee and female, chimpanzee and male, rodent and female, rodent and male? (and please explain why or why not a line can actually be drawn) [that's six items]
Against which social group (regardless of size and chronological concerns) or person, can we make a comparison so as to distinguish 'normal' from 'not normal' and in what ways can it be shown one is thus 'normal' while the other is not?​

You can understand the noun and verb 'lean,' by looking it up in dictionary. When a written proposition is said to have a 'lean' (noun) or to 'lean' in a certain direction, it is usually meant to say that there is a high degree of some property carried by the content or the style or writing. My reason for having asked you to be careful with the 'lean' in your posts, was because I wish to prevent unnecessary scenes in this Serious Discussions fora--your posts tend to come across as shouting, for some reason.
To claim that homosexuality is 'wrong' is to automatically assert that there is a moral issue involved. Moral issues which decree homosexuality as 'wrong' are religious belief-system based--both culturally and historically.

Well you are asking me to provide things that i don't believe in (not in a religius meaning)
I don't belive that sexyal orientation has anything to do with anything genetic, organic related.
The are as manye xample as you want of females with more testosteron then most males and they claim to be females and feel attraction towerds males.
And on the other hand just the oppisite is true also.
Therefor i belive that sexual orientation is psychics related and not genetics, organics.

Anyway please delete my messages.
If what i write seams like screaming in your mind then i predict my short term departure from this forum due to being banned.
I just can't change the way my words sound in peopls heads.

 

[Haruspex]

Well you are asking me to provide things that i don't believe in (not in a religius meaning)
I don't belive that sexyal orientation has anything to do with anything genetic, organic related.
The are as manye xample as you want of females with more testosteron then most males and they claim to be females and feel attraction towerds males.
And on the other hand just the oppisite is true also.
Therefor i belive that sexual orientation is psychics related and not genetics, organics.
Anyway please delete my messages.
If what i write seams like screaming in your mind then i predict my short term departure from this forum due to being banned.
I just can't change the way my words sound in peopls heads.

It is interesting how this many grammar mistakes can appear on one page.
Although I have to add that I hope his prediction comes true.
As for facts, yet again he didn't present a single one.
I so hate this kind of attitude, going drama and grinding, grinding the samesamesamesamesame.... until! Wait? What until? There's no until! Only the samesamesame.
I wonder how does he wish to convince us that he is serious, let alone convince us that his beliefs are the only valid ones.

 

[Mars Man]

Well you are asking me to provide things that i don't believe in (not in a religius meaning)
I don't belive that sexyal orientation has anything to do with anything genetic, organic related.

Then please show us your reason for not believing that you are both organic and genetic. If you were to successfully show us that your belief were indeed a fact of nature, I know for a fact, that you could become eligable for a Nobel Prize--and papers in all the major scientific journals !!

 

[Chi65]

Just a little film:

so much for "normal" (or not) behaviour in nature
(by the way, I am good friends with gays and lesbians, without being one myself, and many of them are far more sensitive than the heteros, I made only good experiences)

 

[scorpion da black]

homosexuality mars man san is a mental state of mind, not biological!
anything mental can be changed....
so why not strait the mental disorder rather than accepting it (no insult was ment)

 

[MadamePapillon]

homosexuality mars man san is a mental state of mind, not biological!
anything mental can be changed....
so why not strait the mental disorder rather than accepting it (no insult was ment)

That's a dangerous attitute to take in this day and age when scientists are making progress in wiping out certian traits and behaviors of animals.

What you basically saying is that it's alright to change who people are simply because something about them doesn't agree with your delicate sensiblilities.
If you believe it is right to change who somebody natually is on some half-baked notion of right and wrong that comes from a book older than your great great grandfather...than I think it is you who is morally and spiritually corrupt.

Now me, being who I am, I like men and women equally. It's never been a big issue for me that I had to struggle to accept, it's just me, and it's never hurt or affected anyone negatively and I'd say I'm as far away from being an evil person as anybody. So for someone to say that I am immoral, and corrupt, and damned to burn in hell for all eternity because of that one, little insignificant trait....I just have to laugh, really, because if I'm going to hell than so are you, buddy.