What's being said?

Rinilex · 12 Aug 2013

Just finished working my way through an audio story, and there's few parts I'm unsure about. One scene in particular I struggled a lot with, so the parts I didn't get I put in an audio clip, if someone could please help me understand them. There's a few other parts but I think it's enough for now and I hope I'm not asking too much. :sorry: I've put in my own guesses.

http://www.mediafire.com/?ej21x1z7y21v7dh

This scene (same scene throughout, hence the similar background noise) is basically set in an alternate world (in Germany) and two bad guys are trying to persuade a soldier to do something for them:

1) しかし「？？'話'？」、一騎当千の能力を「？」決してひるむことのない兵士をたいりょうにかかえることができたどうしたら・・・それはどうだ？
少ない数で体力に、敵軍は次々と撃滅することが「？」
頭いい。ならば「？」、貴様にその力を授けると言った・・・どうする。

2) (After the soldier asks if he can have some time to think)
考える時間を「？'やまやま？」ね。ことは「？'きゅうよう'？する」のだよ。こうしてる「？」ドイツ国民が苦しんでるだよ。

3) (Preceeding line: "We've settled the negotiation...")
ならば曹長には「さすぐ？」準備にかかっていただこうか。

4) (Soldier seems worried - then someone comes in to take him somewhere.)
大丈夫。じきに何も君「？」
入りたまえ。
曹長どのをどこへ「？」くれぐれもしつれいのないようにな。

letianchen · 12 Aug 2013

hello here are my thoughts mabye you can think about it, I listened to this like 50 times and am stuck on similar parts, then someone else can correct it

と撃滅することが「可能のこと」
頭いい。ならば「もし」、貴様にその力を授けると言った・・・どうする。

考える時間を「やりたいのはやまやまだね」

てる「間にも」ドイツ国民が苦しんでるだよ

ならば曹長には「早速」準備にかかっていただこうか

Sorry I listened to it many times, but can't understand the rest. I probably dont know those words.

Toritoribe · 12 Aug 2013

1)
しかしもしもの話だが、一騎当千の能力を秘め、決してひるむことのない兵士をたいりょうにかかえることができたとしたら・・・それはどうだ？
は。（＝はい。）少ない数で隊を組み、敵軍を次々と撃滅することが可能かと。
頭がいい。(This is inaudible. I presume this from the context.) ならばもしも、貴様にその力を授けると言ったら・・・どうする。

2)
考える時間をやりたいのは山々だがねぇ。ことは急を要するのだよ。こうしてる間にも多くのドイツ国民が苦しんでいるんだよ。

4)
大丈夫。じきに何も気にならなくなる。
入りたまえ。
曹長どのをドッグへお連れしろ。くれぐれもしつれいのないようにな。

letianchen · 12 Aug 2013

^ is ならなくなる conditionnal? I thought なくなる was only used in writing, unless I am getting confused. なくなる is a negative right?

Toritoribe · 12 Aug 2013

ならなくなる＝ならない(negative of なる) ＋なる(to become)

気にならないようになる makes sense, maybe?

letianchen · 12 Aug 2013

To reach the point ( ようになる） where one/ I does not care?

Toritoribe · 12 Aug 2013

more simply "to become not to care (about it)"

Rinilex · 12 Aug 2013

Thank you, guys! I've been stuck on this scene forever and it's great to see it in its (accurate!) entirety.

Just two things: is the last part "ドッグ" or "ドック"? I've not come across the former... "take him to the dog"?
And this line: "しかしもしもの話だが" - what's the meaning of 話 here?

Toritoribe · 13 Aug 2013

I, too, think it would be "dock", but he said ドッグ. So, I thought it might refer to something unique in the story, then I wrote it down as what I heard.

もしもの話: a what-if

Rinilex · 13 Aug 2013

I don't think so... before this he asks for the 曹長 on the telephone, and after this last part the soldier is taken to an "operating room like place." By the way, is the line saying take the soldier to the ドック, or the 曹長? The line after 「・・・ようにな」is about the soldier...

I see! Okay, to check, because I'm not 100% sure, so if I've understood this right:

"However, a what-if... what if we were to conceal the power of a mighty warrior (?) that our unfaltering soldiers would be able to use in large quantities... what about that?"
"It would be possible to put together troops with fewer numbers, and destroy the enemy armies one by one."

letianchen · 13 Aug 2013

can someone explain to me what a "what if" is in English. or is that the beginning of a larger sentence. "What if I bought you a present?" for example.

Toritoribe · 13 Aug 2013

Rinilex said:
I don't think so... before this he asks for the 曹長 on the telephone, and after this last part the soldier is taken to an "operating room like place."

I see. Then it must refer to "dock".

Rinilex said:
By the way, is the line saying take the soldier to the ドック, or the 曹長? The line after 「・・・ようにな」is about the soldier...

The latter. The speaker is saying to the soldier to take the sergeant major to the dock.

Rinilex said:
I see! Okay, to check, because I'm not 100% sure, so if I've understood this right:

"However, a what-if... what if we were to conceal the power of a mighty warrior (?) that our unfaltering soldiers would be able to use in large quantities... what about that?"
"It would be possible to put together troops with fewer numbers, and destroy the enemy armies one by one."

一騎当千の能力を秘め modifies 兵士. 能力を秘める means something like "to have a secret ability (of ~)" here.

Rinilex · 13 Aug 2013

Right. Think I've got that now... thank you!

Ah. Since the line following the 「・・・ようにな」is "the country's future depends on the [soldier]", is the first part directed to the soldier, and 「くれぐれも・・・」directed to the sergeant major? (I always thought it was an assistant or something. )

letianchen said:
can someone explain to me what a "what if" is in English. or is that the beginning of a larger sentence. "What if I bought you a present?" for example.

"What if" is used when asking about a hypothetical situation. Tends to be about something bad, but not always. It's short for "what would happen if..." "what would you do if...", etc. Using it on its own doesn't make any sense.

"I'm going to throw a party!"
"And what if it rains?"

"I can't go to that restaurant! What if he's there?!"

"Hey, what if there were unicorns?"

"What if the Germans had won WWII?"

You can also use it to reflect back on something that might have happened, like: "what if I hadn't missed that train..." To me, when it's used with the past, it's usually expresses relief. "What if I hadn't taken my keys... I'd have been locked out!" but again it can be used for positive and negative scenarios.

Technically "what-if" is a noun, but it sounds strange in English in the singular.

letianchen · 13 Aug 2013

thanks alot, to think that my first language is english too.

Rinilex · 13 Aug 2013

I think we can all get like that about our native tongue sometimes, when we're actually made to think about something we just tend to accept as it is. I had to think for a few minutes before I wrote it. Especially the noun part, I've heard "stop thinking about the what-ifs" but not "a what-if", I'd probably be more inclined to call it "a what-if scenario."

Glenn · 14 Aug 2013

Rinilex said:
Ah. Since the line following the 「・・・ようにな」is "the country's future depends on the [soldier]", is the first part directed to the soldier, and 「くれぐれも・・・」directed to the sergeant major? (I always thought it was an assistant or something. )

曹長どのをドッグへお連れしろ。くれぐれもしつれいのないようにな。

The whole exchange is a command. The first sentence uses the imperative form of the verb; the second uses a different type of command. くれぐれ(も) is always used in commands as far as I'm aware.

Rinilex said:
Technically "what-if" is a noun, but it sounds strange in English in the singular.

It made perfect sense to me, so apparently this is one of those speaker-dependent things.

Rinilex · 14 Aug 2013

Glenn said:
曹長どのをドッグへお連れしろ。くれぐれもしつれいのないようにな。

The whole exchange is a command. The first sentence uses the imperative form of the verb; the second uses a different type of command. くれぐれ(も) is always used in commands as far as I'm aware.

Ah, I didn't know that! So would it be directed towards the person who just arrived?
Actually, it just occurred to me the soldier might be the 曹長... which makes a lot more sense here, but the previous line of 曹長を頼む now doesn't make any sense to me...

Glenn said:
It made perfect sense to me, so apparently this is one of those speaker-dependent things.

I think it is. Well, it does make sense, but it just sounds odd to me...

Glenn · 14 Aug 2013

Where's the 曹長を頼む part? I thought the sentence I quoted was basically on its own. 曹長を頼む comes before that?

[Edit] Umm... yeah, but anyway, he's still be talking to the person who's supposed to take 曹長 to the docks.

Rinilex · 14 Aug 2013

Sorry, that wasn't in the audio clip - different part of the audio I cut out. The soldier (possibly 曹長) agrees to do what they want, which is followed by the line:

話はまとまりました。ならば曹長には早速準備にかかっていただこうか。

He then goes to what sounds like a phone, picks it up and says 「俺だ。曹長を頼む。」

Glenn · 14 Aug 2013

He's talking to someone not the 曹長. He's saying they should have the 曹長 hurry and get ready, then he says "It's me. Take care of the sergeant major for me (or "I entrust him/her to you")."

Rinilex · 14 Aug 2013

Ah! That makes perfect sense, thank you! Sorry for all the questions, I've only just realised he was the 曹長 because it neither mentions his rank nor is he referred to as such anywhere else (he's actually called 隊長 later on.)

So is 準備にかかる to get ready, and the いただこう part because he's doing something for them?

Glenn · 14 Aug 2013

Yeah, pretty much. "Start to get ready" or "enter preparations" may be more accurate, though:

物事に着手する。しはじめる。「仕事に―・る」「取り壊しに―・る」
かかる【掛（か）る／懸（か）る／係る】の意味 - 国語辞書 - goo辞書

Rinilex · 14 Aug 2013

Thank you very much for your help.

Rinilex · 16 Aug 2013

Here's the second part - there's just a few more sentences outside of this, but I was really worried about length of it already so I left them for later. Length-wise, lot of the extra is just added in for context. :sorry: I apologise if it's a lot. qqq.mp4

(On a battlefield - after saying "they're serious, aren't they" [about the enemy.])
この「？？？」。どんどん全力はぜんぜんに「まされている？」はずなのに・・・

(Same scene, プロと is another, former soldier who vanished. Like him they've woken up from a kind of brainwashing they refer to as 'reborn.')
おそらくプロトが失踪した「？」も、我々と同じだ！
何か「？」RE:BORNを果たして軍から「？」隠した。
そのこと「？」アルカイストとハレマイエルはすべてを隠蔽した。

(Same scene)
どういうことは我々を殲滅する「？」（そういうことだ。)

(Addressing someone on a radio. A radio term? エスピルド？ He asks if the Delta team can hear him, then: )
「状況？？」デルタ１！
こちらデルタ２！デルタ１もほかの部隊「？」応援を頼む！

(In response to あと何人だ？ about people going back to normal.)
はい！「？？？」 I really can't understand this guy... I think I heard '全員'?

我々にとってみれば復活と「いうり？」、生まれ「変わり？」を意味するRE:BORNと言うべきだな・・・気が付けば体は機械だと「訳だしな？」

(Giving a speech before going to start a rebellion.)
我々は「？」ドイツ軍は「？」ハレマイエル機関にたいし反抗作戦を開始す。ただし、なるべ「？」出すな。

(About to march out. This is a guess.)
「かっこうに？第二せんとうたいせ！」

(Different scene, unsure about the meaning of the first word and what he says at the end.)
しょうせん？機器は機械ということが・・・一度壊れたら・・・「？」

Glenn · 16 Aug 2013

Well, this isn't everything you're looking for, but I gave it a shot. I'm not totally sure about all of them, either, so... take it for what it's worth.

この凄みはおかし過ぎます。どんどん全力はぜんぜんにまわされている（回されてる）はずなのに・・・

おそらくプロトが失踪した原因も、我々と同じだ！

何か「の用心で？」RE:BORNを果たしている。軍から「よう？」隠した。

そのことを知ったアルカイストとハレマイエルはすべてを隠蔽した。

(Same scene)
ということは我々を殲滅するための装備ということ。（そういうことだ。)

「状況知らせろ」デルタ１！
こちらデルタ２！デルタ１もほかの部隊もやられた！根本的に囲まれてる！応援を頼む！

(In response to あと何人だ？ about people going back to normal.)
はい！「あとブラボーIIとチャーリーIをリバースすれば全員です。」

我々にとってみれば復活というより、生まれ「変わりを意味するRE:BORNと言うべきだな・・・気が付けば体は機械だった訳だしな。

(Giving a speech before going to start a rebellion.)
我々はこれよりドイツ軍及びハレマイエル機関にたいし反抗作戦を開始する。ただし、なるべく死者は出すな。

This is also a guess.
各個に！第二戦闘態勢へ！

所詮（しょせん）機械は機械ということか。一度壊れたら手に負えん。

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