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Was "Oda Nobunaga" based!

Kulern

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Apparently he viewed Christians (Jesuits) as a political tool. To get rid of the buddhist sect who threatened his power. Unsure how he personally felt about religion.
But.. hey if the results works! Sometimes you gotta break some eggs to create an empire.

But whats your view on the guy?

edit: I think overall. Nobunaga likely didnt care about religion. Aslong as they didnt threaten his power. Shintoism was also allowed.
Very pragmatic leader in a sense!
 
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I have always wondered what the religious and philosophical views of mass murderers were and how they justified the butchering of thousands of innocent civilians.
 
I have always wondered what the religious and philosophical views of mass murderers were and how they justified the butchering of thousands of innocent civilians.

In a society. You will always have usurpers or ambitious people. Thats life basically.
 
The Jesuits were well know to be aggressive proselytisers with their abhorrent behaviour in Macao/India etc and with Christian ideas of equality (unless you are a woman), I can see why Nobunaga crushed Christian converters.
 
I have always wondered what the religious and philosophical views of mass murderers were and how they justified the butchering of thousands of innocent civilians.
'If a person can be persuaded to believe in absurdities, they can be made to commit atrocities.' Voltaire
 
The Jesuits were well know to be aggressive proselytisers with their abhorrent behaviour in Macao/India etc and with Christian ideas of equality (unless you are a woman), I can see why Nobunaga crushed Christian converters.
Maybe propaganda helped. Pagans being savages and all that. But i am not too knowledgeable on prehistoric view on the people back then. But if it sells.
edit: Also i notice you are from Britain. Whats your view on this recent news? A little off topic.
 
Konnichiwa Kulern-san!

We usually learn about historical figures through entertainment works such as anime, manga, games, TV dramas, movies, and novels.

However, almost all of these entertainment works have been altered to resonate with modern audiences and do not accurately portray history.

In Nobunaga's case, he is often depicted as someone who hated religion because he challenged religious organizations, but this is a major misconception.

For example, Martin Luther was excommunicated from the Church because he criticized it. But he didn't hate the church itself. He simply hated its corruption.

Nobunaga, too, only hated the corruption within religious organizations; he didn't try to destroy religious organizations themselves.

Nobunaga is often depicted as a figure who massacred defenseless monks and civilians, but this is also a misconception.

First, the medieval period in which Nobunaga lived was a time when there was no distinction between soldiers and farmers. Therefore, the majority of soldiers at that time were conscripted farmers.

Nobunaga led farmers into battle, and religious groups opposed to him also led farmers into battle. In other words, there were no innocent civilians in this era.

Moreover, monks commanding farmers would wear armor, wield spears, and shout, "Kill the enemy, and the gates of heaven will open!" Anyone who takes up arms on the battlefield deserves to be killed, even if they are a clergyman.

In Japan at that time, religious organizations were also powerful forces of resistance. To keep these established privileged classes in check, Nobunaga favored Christianity, a new religion. Nobunaga's favorable treatment of Christianity was not because he was influenced by Christian teachings. In this sense, the idea that Nobunaga viewed Christianity as a tool is correct.

It's often mistakenly believed that Japan's Sengoku period (Warring States period) was solely a time of samurai battles, but more accurately, it was also a struggle for survival among farmers.

It is said that many local lords fought to expand their territories out of ambition, but not a single lord fought with the intention of unifying Japan in the first place.

Recent research suggests that even Oda Nobunaga, who came so close to unifying Japan, was fighting to protect his own territory.

Famined farmers unite under local lords and attack other regions. Or they unite under religious groups and attack other regions. That is the essence of the Sengoku period (Warring States period).

Of course, a story about samurai striving to unify Japan is more interesting than a story about farmers who attack a neighboring village because they can't afford food. That's why true Japanese history is rarely depicted in entertainment works.

NANGI
 
100% agree!

In pop culture. I only know Oda Nobunaga from Civilization 5 game. While the background could have been better. It was still kinda cool!
 
The Jesuits were well know to be aggressive proselytisers with their abhorrent behaviour in Macao/India etc and with Christian ideas of equality (unless you are a woman), I can see why Nobunaga crushed Christian converters.
Also my response was a little bad last time. I dont hate Indians or Hindus. Without a source i wouldnt know much of what you mean here? I guess i admire people who strive to better themselves. I think two people online who are Indian whom i like is "Someordinarygamers" and "Morepegasus".

I guess when it comes to racism i view it as a case of Opportunism. And sometimes certain disagreements on something (True or untrue), but i would try to avoid anything that could lead to a certain cultural supremacy mindset. So its why stuff i said about Hindus or Indians in the past is something i regret and will refrain from (Not that i have said it on this forum, but one can likely guess)

But i am not letting go on how Gan Chinese sounds better than all other Chinese spoken languages. Thats just a fact! Same way Danish sounds bad. I feel i am allowed to say that : D
 
The Danish language sounds nice to my ears
If you like Guttural sounds. But hey its subjective i guess
I do like the Government model of Denmark however. (Well minus the EU membership part)
 
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