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Noobish question. How do I verb someone doing a verb? Hope that makes sense. Example, I'm watching my brother playing football. Would it be:
今弟がサッカーをするのを見ています。
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Something like that?
 
Yup, that's right. To make a verb phrase into a direct object, you nominalize it with の and follow it up with the appropriate particle for the main verb, in this case を.
 
You need to choose the correct nominalizer for the verb in the main clause.

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おもしろいですよ。 I didn't know there were more nominalizers other than の. Thanks for the information.

彼女が出て行ったことを彼に話した。

ところで、意味は何ですか。 "(I) Spoke to him about her departure (exiting and going)"? 全部ことばをわかります。 I'm just curious if I'm on the right track.

。。。私の日本語はちがったら、なおしてください。
 

出て行く indeed is a combination of 出る+行く but in this context "to leave" sounds more natural, I think.
Anyway you got it right!

And just little corrections of your Japanese...

おもしろいです
Grammatically correct.
But this sounds more like telling something you're explaining "it's interesting" (e.g. you saw a film and saying おもしろいですよ to your friend thus "you should see it")
When expressing your feeling (impressed, moved, etc.) おもしろいです。 may sound more natural and common.

ところで、意味は何ですか。全部ことばをわかります。 →ことば全部わかります。
You understand all the words but do not understand the meaning of the sentence.
Then particle は should be used to make contrast or limitation...
ことば全部わかりますが、文の意味わかりません。
(I can understand as far as all the individual words are concerned, but I do not understand when it comes to them as a sentence.)

私の日本語はちがったら、なおしてください。→私の日本語が間違っていたら

これからもがんばってくださいね!
 
それにしてもよくできましたね、Angel Valisさん!
By the way, this thread title is awesome. I love it!
 
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出て行く indeed is a combination of 出る+行く but in this context "to leave" sounds more natural, I think.

Is there a nuance to this that you miss if you simply use 出る?


lol I often initially want to use ね in places like that, but I end up thinking that since I'm not really looking for agreement (though maybe I am in a small way), and rather I'm just making an exclamation, that I should use よ instead. Note to self: よ != ! (at least not all of the time)


I still have issues with that sometimes...would なら also work here as in: 「ことばなら全部分かりますが、文の意味は分かりませ ん。」

undrentide;670507 said:
私の日本語はちがったら、なおしてください。→私の日本語が間違っていたら


There's that tricky は/が thing again...or is it because I'm specifically talking about 私の日本語 which isn't previously discussed and also can't be assumed from context that I might mention it?

これからもがんばってくださいね!

あのう、「これからも」の意味は何ですか。

Also...do I need the quotation particle と before の when I say that?
 
Without いく 出る just means "exit" (basically), but can also mean "appear in", as in 試合に出る. 出て行く means more specifically "leave (and go away from where the speaker is)." There's also 出てくる, which means "leave (and go towards where the speaker is)." It may be easier to think of them as "go out" and "come out", respectively.

About 私の日本語が間違ったら, here this が is the "neutral description が". It's not acting in a way related to topics or focuses, it's just more like "this happened" (although it's more like "if this happens" in your example). This is another reason they're tricky.

これからも means "also from now on", as in you've been sticking to it up until now, and she wants to you continue to stick with it from now on as well. I think the way you have it is fine, considering it's writing and you have the quote marks around it. In speech it may be better to say 「これからも」というのはどういう意味ですか, but it probably doesn't matter much. I'm pretty sure of this.
 
Yeah, なら works perfectly fine. 文の意味分かりません has more emphasize on that I can't understand just the meaning of the sentence. (another は/が issue)
 

I knew about the "appear in" meaning of 出る . How about using 去る in this case, would it mean the same or is there a different nuance?


So it's sort of like が when used with 好き then?

これからも means "also from now on", as in you've been sticking to it up until now, and she wants to you continue to stick with it from now on as well.

I thought this might be the case, but was unsure mainly because of the use of これ here rather than 今 or even 今日.

「これからも」というのはどういう意味ですか

I'm confused about the どういう意味 part....well actually it's all a bit confusing :sorry:
 
去る has other nuances, and lots of them. Even if you don't understand them all, have a look at the definitions: 去る.

Yeah, it's more like that が than the focus-marking が.

どういう意味 means "what (kind of) meaning". It can be used to ask "what do you mean?": どういう意味だ/どういう意味ですか. If you watch Bleach you'll hear 一護 (いちご) say this a lot during the first 150 episodes or so (I quit watching it around that point). He normally puts a pause in there, like どういう・・・意味だ? This use of いう is like the リンゴというドラマー use, and you'll hear it in expressions like そういうことだ ("that's how it is") and such.
 
I'm confused about the どういう意味 part....well actually it's all a bit confusing :sorry:

「これからも」の意味は何ですか。by emphasizing "WHAT is" to me someone carries the nuance of probing for added layers of deeper significance, qualities, attributes, particular characteristics etc of a concept. It is a construction a person could use, for example, to ask for the meaning of life. (人生の 意味は何ですか). As Glenn pointed out, どういう in contrast defines more broadly as "What kind of" or "In what way/how" which pulls out the dictionary definition or corresponding phrase in English.

Also, これからも (ずっと) you can think of as a term to connote "now and forever" or possibly "starting here and carrying forward." It doesn't necessarily have the implication of a state that has been continuous or ongoing until this point.
 
So then, the いう in どういう意味ですか, is like the という which defines how/what something is called(e.g. 明子という友だち)?

So could an incredibly literal translation of どういう意味ですか be "how is the meaning called"? I know that literal translations aren't the greatest things (usually), I'm just trying to see how the words fit together.
 
I knew about the "appear in" meaning of 出る. How about using 去る in this case, would it mean the same or is there a different nuance?
So it's sort of like が when used with 好き then?
If you used は I think it gives the odd sort of impression that it is the Japanese that is making the error instead of a speaker in the language.
 
How about using 去る in this case, would it mean the same or is there a different nuance?
彼女が去ったことを彼に話した sounds like a literary(non-conversational) expression, and often connotes "she'll never come back".



「いう」の検索結果 - Yahoo!辞書

Thus, こういう/そういう/ああいう/どういう can be considered as a single word (attribute), meaning "this/that/what kind of", as already pointed out.
 
Thus, こういう/そういう/ああいう/どういう can be considered as a single word (attribute), meaning "this/that/what kind of", as already pointed out.

Then is it safe to assume that どういう has a different nuance or usage than どんな? This was the main reason why I wasn't sure of the meaning of どういう, because I've always seen どんな to be "what kind"...

たんごをもっと習わなくちゃいけませんよ。lol
 
The meaning is the same, but どういう is just much more common with 意味. I don't know anywhere you can absolutely not use one or the other.
 
The meaning is the same, but どういう is just much more common with 意味. I don't know anywhere you can absolutely not use one or the other.

Ahh okay. Then I take it that they're equivalent in politeness as well?

I've been taking over threads quite a bit lately...I hope that at the very least, the original topic creators are getting their questions answered.
 
Ahh okay. Then I take it that they're equivalent in politeness as well?
I've been taking over threads quite a bit lately...I hope that at the very least, the original topic creators are getting their questions answered.
どんな is more frequent between friends in some cases (although could also be slightly disparaging depending on context). Politeness is so important in Japanese even among friends, but people still use casual ways to say things - if that helps at all.
 
Yeah, piggybacking on what Elizabeth said, the んな versions tend to get used more for negative things: 「そんなばかな!」「そんなことがあるもんか!」「そ んなことやったら首だぞ。」「あんな奴に負けるもんか 」「あんな野郎と友達になったら碌(ろく)なことはな いぜ」「こんな理不尽があっていいかよ」などなど.

By the way, I think you should have used ね instead of よ again in your たんごをもっと習わなくちゃいけませんよ。
 
By the way, I think you should have used ね instead of よ again in your たんごをもっと習わなくちゃいけませんよ。

GAH!!! Really? lol Geez I'm really having problems with that. Have any tips on how to practice with ね and よ?
 
Well, よ kind of has a sense of "this is my opinion, and I think you didn't know this", so above it's like "you may not realize it, but I have to learn more words (or learn words more)." It's along the same lines as what undrentide told you above. I think lots of listening and reading will help straighten it out. That always helps with usage.
 
GAH!!! Really? lol Geez I'm really having problems with that. Have any tips on how to practice with ね and よ?
When in doubt, try them together lol. よね is actually used a lot in combination to get the emphasis across and then soften it up a bit without coming across as talking down to your audience - especially online where it is difficult to asses the listeners knowledge.

Oh, also... "習わなくちゃ(いけない)" is way more natural than 習わなくちゃいけません.
 
Haha, yeah, よね is good because it's like "I think this... what do you think?/do you agree?"

Although, I don't find 習わなくちゃいけません to be unnatural. It seems to be similar to そんなことやっちゃだめですよ. I think that perhaps 学ぶ or 勉強する would be better in this instance, though.
 
Except that いけません sounds somehow discordant with なくちゃ maybe because it is a more formal ending than です and なくちゃ is primarily conversational. I only know I don't hear it nearly as often as "~~なくちゃ(いけない).
 
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