Using 述べる and 楽しむ to tell and to enjoy

letslearn · 17 Jun 2014

Hi all is this the right way to use 述べる？
i'm trying to say. when tanaka san returned home from america he told his friends that he enjoyed hot dogs.

田中さんアメリカから帰るときにはホトドグを楽しむが友だちを述べた

can you use 楽しむlike that ?

or would you use
田中さんアメリカから帰るときにはホトドグを好むが友だちを述べた

よろしくお願いします

Toritoribe · 17 Jun 2014

What is your translation of "Tanaka san told his friends something(= なにか)"?

Both 楽しむ and 好む doesn't work well there.

"Hot dog" is ホットドッグ, not ホトドグ.

letslearn · 17 Jun 2014

I'm not really sure on third party pasterns.

Would it be something like.

田中さんは友だちになにかといいました

regards

Toritoribe · 17 Jun 2014

Very close. The correct answer is 田中さんは友だちになにかいいました. と indicates what Takaka-san really said, i.e., your translation actually means 'Tanaka-san said "なにか" to his friend.' But, fortunately, this is more close to the original sentence. See the difference between 田中さんは友だちに「なにか」といいました and your initial translation 田中さん…が友だちを述べた, especially particles.

letslearn · 17 Jun 2014

So for the original sentence,

田中さんアメリカから帰るときには友だちに「ホットドッグがすきです」といいました
Closer to this?

Toritoribe · 18 Jun 2014

Yeah, that's far better than the previous one. Here's another particle issue.

田中さんは友だちになにかといいました
田中さん＿アメリカから

I would use 満喫する for "to enjoy" there.

"To return home" is usually translated to 帰国する.

「ホットドッグを満喫しました」と言いました is correct as a direct quotation, i.e., ホットドッグを満喫しました is exactly what 田中さん said. You can use an indirect quotation by changing the polite form into non-polite form and taking out the quotation marks 「」.

帰るときには implies that he didn't use to enjoy hot dogs.

letslearn · 18 Jun 2014

Thanks Toritoribesan.
Do you still need the direction particle に after とき

田中さんはアメリカから帰るときに友だちにホットドッグを満喫しましたと言う

SulreeQuin · 18 Jun 2014

I never been used like that but i heard some people talking like that when i was in Japan Workshop place.
they seemd to want to say what other people's feeling 'enjoy' very politely.

Toritoribe · 18 Jun 2014

letslearn said:
Thanks Toritoribesan.
Do you still need the direction particle に after とき

田中さんはアメリカから帰るときに友だちにホットドッグを満喫しましたと言う

Oh, I meant "by changing the polite form of the quotation into non-polite form". Sorry for your confusion.
Both とき and ときに are OK. ときに sounds more colloquial.

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