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Knave

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Hey everyone,

I hope somebody can help me correct my sentences.

Watashi wa yasui kuruma ga hoshii desu.
I want a cheap car.

Watashi wa atarashii kuruma ga hoshiku nai.
I don't want an expensive car.

Furansu e ikitai desu ka.
Do you want to go to France?

Kurisu ni paatii ni kite hoshii desu ka.
Do you want Chris to come to the party?

Watashi wa Roozu ni niku o tabeku arimasen deshita.
I didn't want Rose to eat meat.

Do both of these mean the following?
Tanaka-san wa sakana o tabe-tagarimasu.
Tanaka-san wa sakana o tabete moraitagarimasu.
Mr. Tanaka wants to eat fish.

Mr. Tanaka wants fish.
Tanaka-san wa sakana ga hoshigatte imasu.

Please help me correct these sentences of want.

Thank you so much,
Knave
 
Watashi wa yasui kuruma ga hoshii desu.
I want a cheap car.

This is OK.

Watashi wa atarashii kuruma ga hoshiku nai.
I don't want an expensive car.

This is OK, though using wa instead of ga would be more natural.
atarashii kuruma ga hoshiku nai.
is valid only when someone ask you "nani ga hoshiku nai no?/what you don't want?"
Otherwise
atarashii kuruma wa hoshiku nai.
(Wa implies there's another option, so when you say atarashii kuruma ga hoshiku nai, it suggests that perhaps you want a second-hand car.)

Furansu e ikitai desu ka.
Do you want to go to France?

Kurisu ni paatii ni kite hoshii desu ka.
Do you want Chris to come to the party?

These sentences are also OK.

Watashi wa Roozu ni niku o tabeku arimasen deshita.
I didn't want Rose to eat meat.

When you want/don't want someone else to do something,
you should use -te hoshii/hoshiku nai.
Watashi wa Roozu ni niku o tabetehoshiku arimasen deshita.

Do both of these mean the following?
Tanaka-san wa sakana o tabe-tagarimasu.
Tanaka-san wa sakana o tabete moraitagarimasu.
Mr. Tanaka wants to eat fish.

No, the latter means Mr.Tanaka wants to have fish eaten (by someone else).

Mr. Tanaka wants fish.
Tanaka-san wa sakana ga hoshigatte imasu.

Tanaka-san wa sakana o hoshigatte imasu.
Although you can use ga for "hoshii", for "hoshigaru" you always have to use o, not ga.
 
Thanks for the help.

So that I can make sure, please correct the following sentences.

私は猫がほしい。
Watashi wa neko ga hoshii.
I want a cat. (plain)

私は犬はほしクありません。
Watashi wa inu wa hoshiku arimasen.
I don't want a dog. (polite)

赤い車がほしかったですか。
Akai kuruma ga hoshikatta desu ka.
Did you want a red car? (plain)

いいえ、赤い車はほしくありませんでした。
Iie, akai kuruma wa hoshiku arimasen deshita.
No, I did not want a red car. (polite)

My book lists the following terms to mean to want...
たがる / たがっている
もらいたがる / もらいたがっている
ほしがる / ほしがっている

What is the difference???
たがる and たがります
たがっている and たがっています

I have used the both forms of the verbs in plain and polite forms. I hope I am not completely incorrect. Please check these for me...

道子はきれいなうちをほしがる / ほしがっています。
Michiko wa kirei na uchi o hoshigaru / hoshigatte imasu.
Michiko wants a pretty house. (plain/polite)

リンだは本を読みたがっている / たがります。
Rinda wa hon o yomi-tagatte iru / tagarimasu.
Linda wants to read a book. (plain/polite)

母は僕に肉を食べてもらいたがくなかった / たがっていませんでした。
Haha wa boku ni niku o tabete morai-tagaku nakatta / moraitagatte imasen deshita.
Mom did not want me to eat meat. (plain/polite)

I really appreciate your help!!!
Thanks!
 
私は猫がほしい。
Watashi wa neko ga hoshii.
I want a cat. (plain)

私は犬はほしくありません。
Watashi wa inu wa hoshiku arimasen.
I don't want a dog. (polite)

赤い車がほしかったですか。
Akai kuruma ga hoshikatta desu ka.
Did you want a red car? (polite)

いいえ、赤い車はほしくありませんでした。
Iie, akai kuruma wa hoshiku arimasen deshita.
No, I did not want a red car. (polite)

 All the above sentences are correct.




たがる、もらいたがる、ほしがる are all generic statement.
Adding ている means that the person is in that state (now, when it is present tense).

たがっています is a polite form of たがっている.


道子はきれいなうちをほしがる / ほしがっています。
Michiko wa kirei na uchi o hoshigaru / hoshigatte imasu.
Michiko wants a pretty house. (plain/polite)

リンダは本を読みたがっている / たがります。
Rinda wa hon o yomi-tagatte iru / tagarimasu.
Linda wants to read a book. (plain/polite)

母は僕に肉を食べてもらいたがくなかった / たがっていませんでした。
Haha wa boku ni niku o tabete morai-tagaku nakatta / moraitagatte imasen deshita.
Mom did not want me to eat meat. (plain/polite)
Only the last one
母は僕に肉を食べてもらいたがらなかった。

Otherwise they are all right.
 
I think it would be best to note (at least to my knowledge) that adding -tagaru implies different things than just hosii. ALso, -garu can be added to like /na/ nominals (or whatever you call them, benri, hen, etc)
-tagaru is -tai form + garu, and you don't use -tagaru to refer to yourself I think, unless it's like in past sense. -garu implies that whatever it is connected to has a feeling that is 'shown.' So it's like someone commenting on a second party. It does basically mean the same but it has that whole kind of 'feeling' placed with it when you use it.


Thussss:
リンだは本を読みたがっている 。
Rinda wa hon o yomi-tagatte iru.
Linda (seems she/ looks like she ) wants to read a book (as I am observing).



If this explanation is wrong by all means someone please correct it.
 

Your explanation is correct that ～たがる means the person "shows" that he/she wants to do so and so.
Thus it is only used to describe the 3rd party (and sometimes the person you're talking to) but never yourself.

However, when one says ～たがる, there's no sense of assumption, as the speaker already decided that the person in question actually wants.

Though it does not make any difference in translation, I'd say the feeling behind it as

リンダは本を読みたがっている 。
Rinda wa hon o yomi-tagatte iru.
Linda wants to read a book.

... No "seem/look" behind it, as the speaker is 100% confident in its statement.
(If not, the speaker would say ～たがっているようだ.)

Anyway, great explanation, Torebaa san!
 
lol but ultimately I was put to shame by the blue bird of knowledge.

Thanks for clarifying that up though
 
Can you explain the type of verb form that ends in ~tai, which is basically a plain form of expressing desire... nani tabetai?... What do you want to eat?...

You don't see this often explained in books, maybe because it is so informal, but is there a name for this type of verb... I only have ever used it with children younger than me, and people very close and personal to me.
 
I don't think there's any limitation to use with ~tai, because this expression is not always informal or childish. Like "want to" "would like to" in English, you can use it with almost any verbs.
Here are some examples I picked up randomly from the net.
中学生になったらなにをしたい？
何度も見たいと思うサイトはどういうものだろうか？
これは欲しい、旅先で買いたい、と思うお土産
想いを伝えたいと思うのは不思議な事なのかなぁ？
大産大は、本学で学びたいと思うみなさんを応援します
食事をする際に気を付けたいのが「あまり我慢をしない」ことだ。
お客さまにご利用いただきたいセキュリティ機能
地下鉄を走らせたい都市は？（政令指定都市以外でも可）.
主要企業75社の人材開発担当者の大半が、取らせたいIT資格として公的IT資格を挙げた。
動画エンコードやデフラグなどの処理を高速で終わらせたいときに便利なソフト
せっかくの機会でありますので、いくつかのことを皆さんに申し上げておきたい。
~tai can be used in various situation, from a simple speech with a child to a formal speech.
----
Or maybe I misunderstood your question?

If you mean verb form, it is used with 連用形.
見る 見たい
食べる 食べたい
走る 走りたい
 
がる is a tricky one to work out. My understanding of it is that it means something like "shows signs of". You would use it in the following ways:

Describing someone else's desire:
Bobはチョコレートが欲しがる。 Bob wants chocolate. Or literally "Bob shows signs of wanting chocolate".

Describing someone else's psychology:
Bobは犬がこわがっている。 Bob is scared of dogs. Or literally "Bob shows signs of being scared of dogs".

Describing someone else's physiology:
Bobは頭が痛がっている。 Bob has a headache. Or literally "Bob shows signs of having a headache".

My questions is, what is the difference between がる and がっている. I know 欲しがる describes someone's habitual desires (like Bob always wanting ice-cream in the above example), and 欲しがっている describes some desire now only, so 山田さんはプラズマテレビが欲しがっている, "Yamada (now) wants a plasma screen TV", however does this rule apply for other feelings, like こわがる vs こわがっている etc? Seems strange that my grammar book says スーザンは一人で寂しがっている means "Susan feels lonely by herself". Going by the whole "habitual" vs "just now" difference that example should be something more like "Susan is feeling lonely by herself (right now)"
 

I haven't heard anything about it being childish, but you can up the indirectness when you use it for yourself by using endings like たいんですが or たいんですけど.

Also, when you want to ask a question, it's better to say 聞きたいことがあるんですが (kikitai koto ga aru n desu ga - there is a thing I want to ask), rather than 質問があります (shitsumon ga arimasu - I have a question). I've heard the latter sounds too serious.

I actually head the first example at a bookstore the other day. There were two counters next to each other, one for purchasing books, the other was the service counter. A young girl lining up was called over by the clerk at the purchasing counter, but instead the girl said いいえ、聞きたいことがあるんです meaning "no, I just have a question to ask (at the service counter)"
 


Yeah, that's what I was trying to explain..

So like:
スーザンは一人で寂しがっている
The 'gatte iru' part, the gerund of garu, is showing present, continuing state for the 'is showing' part of being lonely.
Susan (is still in the state of showing she) feels lonely by herself.

...at least that's how I came to understand it.


Actually wouldn't it be more appropriate for something like "chotto ukagaimasu ga..." assuming you don't know the person at all?
 
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Thanks so much for all your in-depth help! It has helped me a lot!

Hopefully these will be my last questions about wanting...

Could someone look over my sentences???

Plain
I want to eat meat. 私は肉を食べたい。
Watashi wa niku o tabe-tai.
I don't want to eat meat. 私は肉を食べたくない。
Watashi wa niku o tabe-taku nai.
I wanted to eat meat. 私は肉を食べたかった。
Watashi wa niku o tabe-takatta.
I didn't want to eat meat. 私は肉を食べたくなかった。
Watashi wa niku o tabe-taku nakatta.
I want to eat meat and drink beer. 私は肉を食べたくて、ビールを飲む。
Watashi wa niku o tabe-takute, biiru o nomu.

Polite
I want to eat meat. 私は肉を食べたいです。
Watashi wa niku o tabe-tai desu.
I don't want to eat meat. 私は肉を食べたくありません。
Watashi wa niku o tabe-taku arimasen.
I wanted to eat meat. 私は肉を食べたかったです。
Watashi wa niku o tabe-takatta desu.
I didn't want to eat meat. 私は肉を食べたくありませんでした。
Watashi wa niku o tabe-taku arimasen deshita.
I want to eat meat and drink beer. 私は肉を食べたくて、ビールを飲みます。
Watashi wa niku o tabe-takute, biiru o nomimasu.

Could you tell me the way to say these two sentences as well in Japanese in plain and polite forms?

I don't want to eat meat, nor drink beer.
I didn't want to eat meat, nor drink beer.

And finally,
How do you say these in plain and polite???

My friend wants me to drink water.
My friend does not want me to drink water.
My friend wanted me to drink water.
My friend did not want me to drink water.
My friend wants me to drink water and eat chicken.
My friend doesn't want me to drink water nor eat chicken.

I appreciate all of your help!!!
 
If you mean
I (1) want to eat meat
and
(2) drink beer
then your translation is OK.
(Though it may sound "I drink beer because I want to eat meat".)
But if you mean
I want to
(1) eat meat
and
(2) drink beer
then it should be
私は肉を食べてビールを飲みたい（です）。
or
私は肉を食べたいし、ビールも飲みたい（です）。
Knave said:
Could you tell me the way to say these two sentences as well in Japanese in plain and polite forms?
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I don't want to eat meat, nor drink beer.
私は肉を食べたくないし、ビールも飲みたくない（です）。
Knave said:
How do you say these in plain and polite???
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When the 3rd party is involved for "want", it is rather complicated.
There are many ways to express it, what I'm going to write is just a few of the many possibilities.
My friend wants me to drink water.
友人は僕に水を飲んでもらいたがっている。／もらいたがっています。
友人は僕に水を飲んで欲しいと思っている。／思っています。
My friend does not want me to drink water.
友人は僕に水を飲んで欲しくないと思っている。／思っています。
友人は僕に水を飲まないで欲しいと思っている。／思っています。
My friend wanted me to drink water.
友人は僕に水を飲んでもらいたがっていた。／もらいたがっていました。
友人は僕に水を飲んで欲しいと思っていた。／思っていました。
My friend did not want me to drink water.
友人は僕に水を飲んで欲しくなかった。／欲しくなかったです。
(The above is not incorrect but a bit awkward.)
友人は僕に水を飲んで欲しくないと思っていた。／思っていました。
友人は僕に水を飲まないで欲しいと思っていた。／思っていました。
There's even more possible variation when there are two separate things (drink water and eat chicken)...

My friend wants me to drink water and eat chicken.
友人は僕に水を飲んで鶏を食べてもらいたがっている。
友人は僕に水を飲んで鶏を食べてほしがっている。
友人は僕に水を飲んで鶏を食べて欲しいと思っている。
友人は僕に水を飲んだり鶏を食べたりして欲しいと思っている。
(Change いる to います for polite form.)
My friend doesn't want me to drink water nor eat chicken.
友人は僕に水を飲んだり鶏を食べたりしないで欲しいと思っている。
(You cannot drink water, nor eat chicken.)
友人は僕に水を飲んで鶏を食べないで欲しいと思っている。
(You cannot drink water and eat chicken.)
 
Awesome!

Thank you so much for the help!

You are awesome!





 
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