te form, masu form used for describing many things one has done

Yamatoblue · 18 Jul 2004

:hungry:
I was wondering...
I have a hard time understanding when a number of actions are said in a sentence.
For example:
gakkou ni iki, konpyuta wo tsukatta.学校に行き、パソコンを使った。 What does that mean? Does the last verb decide whether all the verbs in the sentence are past tense or present tense?
What does "gakkou ni iki, pasokon wo tsukaimasu" mean?
gakkou ni itte, konpyuta wo tsukatta. Again, same question.
So when do I use the te form and when do I use the masu form when listing things I did/want to do/etc?

ありがとうございます！

Keiichi · 18 Jul 2004

I think it's suppose to be 学校に行って、パソコンを使った。In this case, you use the -te form to 'link' things together such that the second part follows the first part. For this, meaning: I went to school and used the computer. It's the same as 学校に行って、パソコンを使いました。, which is more formal.
If you write 学校に行って、パソコンを使います。, it'll mean: I will go to school and use the computer (there).
pasokon -> personal computer
konpyuuta -> computer
both means the same thing, generally.

PaulTB · 18 Jul 2004

Keiichi said:
I think it's suppose to be 学校に行って、パソコンを使った。

The -masu base form can be used in exactly the same way as the -te form to link sentences.

学校に行き、パソコンを使った。 = 学校に行って、パソコンを使った。

I think the -masu base version is used in writing more than spoken Japanese.

Yamatoblue · 19 Jul 2004

So those 2 forms essentially mean the same thing?
Arigatou^^

What about the "shi"?
gakkou ni ikushi, etc etc...
what does that shi mean? doesnt it mean "and"? When should one use that?

Keiichi · 19 Jul 2004

The 'shi' is to link things that are sort of similar, so in a sense, it does mean 'and.'
For example: 私は学校に行ったし、デパートも行きました。
I went to school, and I also went to the department store.
(I went to school and the department store.)

Or sometimes it's used for reasons similar to 'because' and such:
明日のテストは難しくないし、ぜんぜん勉強したくない。
Tomorrow's test will not be difficult, so I don't want to study at all.

That's all I can remember for now.

PaulTB · 19 Jul 2004

Keiichi said:
The 'shi' is to link things that are sort of similar, so in a sense, it does mean 'and.'
For example: 私は学校に行ったし、デパートも行きました。
I went to school, and I also went to the department store.

For some reason I'm not quite happy with that sentence - although it may be perfectly OK.

Any NSoJ want to comment?

Keiichi · 19 Jul 2004

I guess I can see it as not being a very good example. I just wanted to stick in the thing that Yamatoblue said.

Elizabeth · 19 Jul 2004

PaulTB said:
For some reason I'm not quite happy with that sentence - although it may be perfectly OK.

Any NSoJ want to comment?

Isn't Shi used primarily to join explanatory or descriptive phrases or clauses to the main topic noun ? Besides not repeating the same verb, I assume that applies the same as our English rule.
So just 私は学校もデパートに（も）行きました。 ?

PaulTB · 19 Jul 2004

Elizabeth said:
Besides not repeating the same verb, I assume that applies the same as our English rule.

Well I think you can have the same verb with し in some circumstances, but not I suspect like used in that sentence.

e.g. 何度かコンサートに行ったし、会社に入った年には休んで長崎まで見に行ったこともある。
一緒にゴルフにも行ったし、25人でスキーに行ったこともあるわ。

Elizabeth said:
So just 私は学校もデパートに（も）行きました。 ?

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te form, masu form used for describing many things one has done

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