Language news said:Chinese characters to be phased out in China
By Wen Gaige
Beijing, China
Thursday, 1st April 2004
The Chinese government announced today that it plans to phase out Chinese characters and replace them with Hànyŭ Pīnyīn, a system for writing Chinese with the Latin alphabet. This change will be incorporated into the five year plan commencing in January 2005 and should be completed by the end of 2010.
A spokeswoman for the Latinisation Committee (Lādīnghuà Wĕiyuànhuì, which has been set up to oversee the change, told our reporter that Hànyŭ Pīnyīn will be introduced first in schools, then in official publications, and then in all other printed materials. She went on to say that the switch to the Latin alphabet will dramatically reduce the amount of time children need to spend learning to read and write Chinese, and will help to increase literacy among adults.
The form of language used will be based on the Mandarin spoken by educated people in northern China. Written standards will also be established for other major varieties of Chinese, such as Cantonese, Min, Wu and Hakka.
A spokesman for the Chinese Character Preservation Society (Zìbăohuìclaimed that abolishing the characters would cut the people off from over 3,000 years of literary heritage, and that the large number of homophones in Chinese would make any system based on the Latin alphabet difficult to read.
The Latinisation Committee responded to these points by stating that Hànyŭ Pīnyīn versions of the major literary classics will be produced, and that grouping syllables into words will help to reduce the ambiguity of homophones.
The progress of these changes will be observed with interest by the people of Taiwan and Singapore, though they are not planning to abandon Chinese characters just yet.
Note: This article is a spoof intended for your amusement. The organisations and individuals mentioned are figments of the author's imagination. Various proposals have been made to replace Chinese characters with the Latin alphabet, though none have met with widespread support yet.
Copyright © Simon Ager 1998-2004
lexico said:What if you were to vote on this plan:
Should China discontinue use of Hanzi (Chinese characters) and gradually move on to Pinyin Romnazation ?
In order not to give you the wrong impression that this has actually been decided in China, below is quoted the "spoof" article with disclaimer.
Chinese characters to be phased out in China
Mycernius said:Is it me, but weren't the words used for the thread SPOOF NEWS? :?
Nope, the culture is not endangered by changing the writing system.Dream Time said:it is 'spoof news', but it is true that there are proposals to place Chinese characters with latin alphabet, and it is very dangerous for the culture
bossel said:Nope, the culture is not endangered by changing the writing system.
Culture is evolving continually, anyway, whether the writing system changes, or not.
for the historical buildings, they are deconstructed, because they are not longer productive/functional. that's my assumption, especially here in ireland, our econonomy is suffering from maintenancing such buildings. they are not economic, to heat/in terms of area usage and so on. just 30 percent higher costs, but this makes a deciding difference. and, they are unconfortable as well, leaking roofs and all these things.Dream Time said:chinese characters have very important values in the culture, and there is so much history behind it, i don't like simplified chinese either, they said it helps the people to learn the language quicker, apparently that doesn't help at all, as China has millions of illiterate people. if they want everyone in the country to be able to read and write chinese, they should do it by putting people in school, not by changing the writing system.
the chinese government has already destroyed many historical buildings, they are westernizing the country, as a chinese person i really hate that to happen
100% disagee.....I hate pinyin....Hanzi is the most beautiful writing(My opinion)lexico said:What if you were to vote on this plan:
Should China discontinue use of Hanzi (Chinese characters) and gradually move on to Pinyin Romnazation ?
In order not to give you the wrong impression that this has actually been decided in China, below is quoted the "spoof" article with disclaimer.
Chinese characters to be phased out in China
Of course writing is part of the culture, but it is not the culture. When the writing system changes that does not mean that the culture itself is endangered.Void said:It`s not for a first time when people in Linguistic`s treads said that language has not much to do with a culture.
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And a way (technique, methodology) is not an inherent part of a culture? A symbol itself is not a part of a culture? (no matter what are we talking about - phonetic alphabet or hieroglyphs)
bossel said:Of course writing is part of the culture, but it is not the culture. When the writing system changes that does not mean that the culture itself is endangered.
IMO, not much. It's the other way round: Culture affects language.Void said:yet, it is not clear in science how much does the language affects the culture.
Preserve many cultural achievements? Only insofar as to write down what's going on in culture, but that can be done in virtually any script adapted to the particular language.Certainly, it doesn`t make the culture, but besides many other functions it`s also an instrument to preserve many cultural achivements, to
bequeath the culture to the descendants.
Because people seem to need easy labels.And when the language is gone, what is passed over. Why then we have such notion as "extinct culture"?
alexriversan said:sorry, most of us western people can not derive anymore, what the letters are symbolizing. in school, i can remember, we made up ill-fashioned identities, for example "F"=fish and so on. this causes all the stupidity we have now, it allows to use words, without understanding them.
"personally, i have difficulties to derive what the letters are symbolizing"
:? I don't think, Westerners will have any influence on that decision. The Chinese are too nationalist to let the West play a role.Ermac said:Damn westerners and their world domination plans!!
Ermac said:Damn westerners and their world domination plans!!
The system is fine the way it is.
and although some of the historic buildings may be leeching to keep in them in repair well that shouldnt really be a factor in it.
they are apart of chinese history, money should be no obsical(sp).
- Ermac
Actually, hieroglyphs are Egyptian. Chinese hanzi are logograms, like hieroglyphs. Unlike the hieroglyphic system, which is consonant-based (& actually not only logographic, but combined with syllabic & alphabetic elements: one hieroglyph could be used to simply represent one sound), hanzi are syllable-based.Void said:That there is one speciality about East comparing to the West. Peculiarity which provided a bit better cultural succession through the ages. This is hieroglyphic script.
1) For a large part Chinese hanzi are definitely not monosemantic.So, how much true is this
1) Are hieroglyphs monosemantic?
2) Doesn`t their meaning change with time?
3) Were Chinese culture and history that homogeneous?