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Brooker · 23 May 2005

RockLee said:
Did I ever say anything bad about Americans in my posts ??

Yes, you said this.

My assumption is also based on the fact it's usually an American who starts this kind of rant.

Why are you making this an America issue when America has nothing to do with this?

I only made a generalization that it's mostly an American, and I told you before I don't mean to insult Americans,

I'm just informing you that being insulted is the natural reaction any American (or someone from any country you make such a statement about) is going to have to such a comment.

Try to think of how you'd feel if someone made such a general statement about your countrymen. We're getting on this guys case for making general statements about Japanese people and in the same thread you make a general statement about Americans. And I know you're not saying ALL Americans are this way, but that's like saying, "Yeah, most of them suck, but there's are a few good ones."

I'm not trying to come down on you. I'm just telling you that Americans (even "the good ones") are not going to appreciate such comments and it might be best to keep such observations to yourself to avoid giving offense.

RockLee · 23 May 2005

Brooker said:
Why are you making this an America issue when America has nothing to do with this?

indirectly it has to do with it.

I'm just informing you that being insulted is the natural reaction any American (or someone from any country you make such a statement about) is going to have to such a comment.

Try to think of how you'd feel if someone made such a general statement about your countrymen. We're getting on this guys case for making general statements about Japanese people and in the same thread you make a general statement about Americans.

I was making a statement to this bozo.I would care less if someone insults my countrymen,as the whole country is getting more foreign anyways. ;-) I think this is what Japan tries to prevent, and I don't blame them.(not being racist here, by far ...but I think there should be a limit to the amount of foreign people, as it makes a country unique)

I'm not trying to come down on you. I'm just telling you that Americans (even "the good ones") are not going to appreciate such comments and it might be best to keep such observations to yourself to avoid giving offense.

So it's ok to attack Japanese things, insulting a moderator, insulting the whole Japanese population and getting away with it ?But it's bad to assume this guy is an American because he rants?

Elizabeth · 23 May 2005

Elizabeth, I never talked about the rest of America did I ? I talked about this board and it's members.I would appreciate if u would take me serious, because I am.

Well, it has progressed nicely from a "great deal" of the US population that bad mouthed other countries or cultures based on a few bad reps here (which may or may not be more than Europeans -- at least we seem to criticize ourselves first which is more than some other groups, but I digress again....). :relief:

Ma Cherie · 23 May 2005

This thread is getting way off topic. First and foremost, perhaps it's true that it's an American who's the first person complaining about Japan or any other country. And Rocklee, we of course know that he was ranting, but he was only doing it out of anger. At least that's what I believe. I guess we really need to be careful and clear about what we post.

Brooker · 23 May 2005

RockLee said:
indirectly it has to do with it.

Only because you're assuming this guy is American. He might not be. Other than that, what we've discussed here has 0% to do with America. And what difference does it make where he's from?

So it's ok to attack Japanese things, insulting a moderator, insulting the whole Japanese population and getting away with it ?But it's bad to assume this guy is an American because he rants?

We will deal with him. I don't put much stock into what he says, but I expect better from you.

What if I said, "I met a guy who smelled like poo and figured he must be Belgian. I know that not all Belgians smell like poo, but I've met quite a few who did, so I just figure most people who smell like poo are Belgians." Offensive? Any course in logic will show the error in that reasoning.

DoctorP · 23 May 2005

I think that everyone needs to just slow down...

First off, RockLee...if you keep with the name calling and foul language then this bickering back and forth will just continue.

Second...the original post seems to me as if Serpico was angry when he posted it. People tend to say/write things they wouldn't normally write when angry.

With that said, a few things drew my attention in that 1st post. Yes, Japanese are less likely to help a fellow citizen (or even a foreigner) when in need. I have witnessed this many times on different occasions. What is the reason for this? I'm not sure, maybe respect for personal space? I do know one thing, Americans are too meddlesome sometimes. We rush in and stick our noses in quite often when it is not needed. I think we do this because we seek praise. But I'm not sure. I'm not saying that these women shouldn't have been helped...I would have done the same things that Serpico did. However, I don't expect everyone to do the same things that I would do. I have training in such emergent matters. Many Japanese will simply not assist for fear of the unknown, or fear of making things worse. Which obviously could happen. Once again, this is just my opinion...I have no facts to back this up, only my experiences.

RockLee · 23 May 2005

Ma Cherie said:
And Rocklee, we of course know that he was ranting, but he was only doing it out of anger. At least that's what I believe. I guess we really need to be careful and clear about what we post.

That doesn't give him an excuse to badmouth the whole population as rapists etc. does it?

Brooker said:
Only because you're assuming this guy is American. He might not be. Other than that, what we've discussed here has 0% to do with America. And what difference does it make where he's from?

Never said it had anything to do with America did i ? I said most of the time it's an American who rants. ;-) So, I didn't say ANYTHING bad about America.

We will deal with him. I don't put much stock into what he says, but I expect better from you.

Iron Chef was nearly blamed for this guys badmouthing, so I decided to stick up for him, is that bad?

What if I said, "I met a guy who smelled like poo and figured he must be Belgian. I know that not all Belgians smell like poo, but I've met quite a few who did, so I just figure most people who smell like poo are Belgians." Offensive? Any course in logic will show the error in that reasoning.

I would laugh so hard and pee in my pants... it's so true !! But did you know Belgian is a loose term these days ? The population is getting more and more foreign, so if u would says Belgians stink, u would insult mostly Marrocean and Turkish people as they are a big percent of the population hehe

Ma Cherie · 23 May 2005

No it doesn't Rock, it doesn't give him the right to badmouth the whole population. But he was just posting this because he was angry. Hopefully in the end he will recant most of the things he said.

Brooker · 23 May 2005

I don't think Belgian people stink, I just wanted to come up with a goofy example.

RockLee said:
I would laugh so hard and pee in my pants... it's so true !! But did you know Belgian is a loose term these days ? The population is getting more and more foreign, so if u would says Belgians stink, u would insult mostly Marrocean and Turkish people as they are a big percent of the population hehe

This is the way it is in every country. Being Belgian isn't becomming a "loose term" it's just that the definition of what it means to be Belgian is changing. In America, every person who has immigrated here has made this country what it is. Without immigrants there would be no America (at least not as we know it). So, for the most part (with the notable exception of "Native Americans" of course), to be American, is to be an immigrant. Years from now, those Moroccans and Turkish people who now seem like outsiders, will be just as Belgian as everyone else in Belgium.

My family comes from Europe. Does that mean I'm not really American? Of course not. If you think about it, most (not all of course) Americans are transplanted Europeans who left the mother land and formed a new culture. We're all the same brother.

RockLee · 23 May 2005

CC1 said:
First off, RockLee...if you keep with the name calling and foul language then this bickering back and forth will just continue.

Second...the original post seems to me as if Serpico was angry when he posted it. People tend to say/write things they wouldn't normally write when angry.

I didn't use foul language nor did I did any name calling CC1...prove me wrong and I'll apologize.Now this guy Serpico on the other hand...

THIS POST WAS MADE BY IRON CHEF

Before you all decide to jump to his defense and label me as the bad guy how about we revisit what Serpico posted in other threads before I decided to remove them. Here are a few choice excerpts...

"Do you think that Japanese men are such scumbags BECAUSE they have tiny d***s?

or

Or do they have such tiny d***s because they are such scumbags?

Let me elaborate...you know back home they used to have an old expression that says "the guy with the littlest d**k drives the biggest truck".

Using this line of thinking we can follow logically that the Japanese men must have a complex about the laughable size of their d***s. Therefore, they compensate by gang raping women.

They cannot empathize with the terrified woman because, number one, they are scumbag pieces of ****, and, number two, they don't possess the intellectual capacity for empathy which is an emotion/thought process possessed by human beings and not animals.

I suppose they also don't see themselves as pathetic because that too would require a higher level of rationalization not possessed by animals. Well, I take that back, apes can do it, dolphins, and to some extent, dogs, but not Japanese men. Of course we know by looking at history, that rape is something that Japanese men love to do, and have no shame about whatsoever.

One can only assume that had things happened differently and the Japanese had won the war in the Pacific, that American, Australian, and other women would have fallen prey to their rape and eventual murder.

Do you think that God, or the law of reciprocity, or karma or whatever you want to call it,cursedthe Japanese men with the worlds smallest d***s BECAUSE they are such sex perverts, pedophiles, and rapists.

Why dont I leave? Well, why didnt the African Americans go back to Africa? Well because they shouldnt be required to run away from racism. By the same token Im not going to run away from these little d**k, feeble minded, jealous, hateful, child abusing, human trafficking, lying, cowardly, Rape of Nanking denying, Pearl Harbor sneak attacking, no compassion for the homeless, American copycatting, thinking they are better than everybody when they are not, *****s. I shouldnt have to.

Am I feeling racism? I think so...Who blames who...tsk tsk.I can see in his post he is American...or is it just me?Else he wouldn't rant that much about them copying,attacking America..I could be wrong tho..

I thought, hey maybe Japan is changing and I didnt actually choose a unworthy group to teach english to.

Unworhty? By what standard can u call people unworhty , it seems to me you are unworthy of being called a teacher ! kashii:

OK Im going to say it now.... are you ready? The Japanese racist system was put into place by not cool, little d**k, ill mannered, unintelligent Japanese men who are ABSOLUTLEY TERRIFIED about losing all of their beauitiful women to foreigners. Just like there is war over any resource whether it be oil, spices, land..anything this war is about the most valuable resource Japan has...the women.

Feeling jealous ? There are a lot of Japanese women married to foreigners...

Its no secret that Japanese are the worst racists in the world and if you dont believe me just check on the forums on the internet.

Ho Ho...look who's talking , Mr I hate Japanese so much ! kashii: Also he generalizes...and I'm not to be taken serious Elizabeth.. :?

BY IRON CHEF

You know, I try to help this site as much as possible to make it a nice family-friendly place but if you and others think so lowly of me then by all means I will step down and let some one else do the baby-sitting. Just say the word. Bleh... why do I even bother...

And I appreciate your help !

PopCulturePooka · 23 May 2005

RockLee said:
His whole point is to badmouth Japan, I wouldn't expect anything positive from him actually.He's frustrated, and wanted to vent his anger, and the best place is ofcourse a place where a lot of people visit with Japan as the subject ! He wants reactions, he can get them, with all the negative feelings alongside ;-) Those are the consequences when u start a useless thread like this.

I don't want to generalize, but most of the time it's the American population who rants about other countries how bad they are :souka: Although they live in a same environment...maybe they want to believe America is better by badmouthing other countries/cultures :? (this goes not for EVERY American, but for a great deal of the population in my opinion, so don't feel offended )

Hypocrite.

Brooker · 23 May 2005

I didn't use foul language nor did I did any name calling

Yeah, none that I noticed.

RockLee said:
Am I feeling racism? I think so...Who blames who...tsk tsk.I can see in his post he is American...or is it just me?Else he wouldn't rant that much about them copying,attacking America..I could be wrong tho..

You just won't stop with the "he must be American" thing. Let it go! Let's deal with the individual, not deal with what country he's from.

RockLee · 23 May 2005

FirstHousePooka said:
Hypocrite.

At one point, we all are mr Pooka...think about that ;-)

RockLee · 23 May 2005

Brooker said:
You just won't stop with the "he must be American" thing. Let it go! Let's deal with the individual, not deal with what country he's from.

I had to response to every post that was replied Brooker.It seems everybody is so easily offended...U should post a sticky saying , please rant, but don't involve us Americans (J/K)

Mike Cash · 23 May 2005

RockLee said:
His whole point is to badmouth Japan, I wouldn't expect anything positive from him actually.He's frustrated, and wanted to vent his anger, and the best place is ofcourse a place where a lot of people visit with Japan as the subject ! He wants reactions, he can get them, with all the negative feelings alongside ;-) Those are the consequences when u start a useless thread like this.

I don't want to generalize, but most of the time it's the American population who rants about other countries how bad they are :souka: Although they live in a same environment...maybe they want to believe America is better by badmouthing other countries/cultures :? (this goes not for EVERY American, but for a great deal of the population in my opinion, so don't feel offended )

Don't worry, we Americans are so used to you spitting in our faces that we hardly even notice it anymore.

RockLee · 23 May 2005

mikecash said:
Don't worry, we Americans are so used to you spitting in our faces that we hardly even notice it anymore.

Do Belgians spit in American people's eyes ? That's new to me :relief:
You don't mistake me for someone from Iraq do you :?

PopCulturePooka · 23 May 2005

Mr RockLee how would you react if I stated that this guy is really arrogant and condescending, therefore he is Belgian or German, as all Belgian and Germans are arrogant?
I would wager it would be a pithy comment with a neg point.
Fact of the matter is you DO use every oppurtunity to try and sink the boot into America and Americans, then justify your bleatings with the tired cry of racists/nationists everywhere 'I'm not racist, I have black friends!!!'. Its really tiring to be honest, you're a broken record as much as serpico is.

As it stands this idea of Americans as whiners and whingers is fairly Euro-centric. In Australia the popular stereotype is that the Brits and Europeans are the ones who whinge and rant about everything.

Brooker · 23 May 2005

mikecash said:
Don't worry, we Americans are so used to you spitting in our faces that we hardly even notice it anymore.

It really makes me loose hope. Why even try to improve America's image in the world if, no matter what, we're all seen as being a bunch of @$$h0le$ no matter what we do. When I was in Japan, I did my best to be a good representation/ambassador of America. But my friends would just say, "Oh, you're the good American, but all of the others are bad." I give up! It doesn't do any good to be the exception to the rule. I'm just going to start being an @$$h0le if I'm just guilty until proven innocent anyways. But, you know what... I think it sucks. I'm tired of all the generalization and stereotyping. I'm tired of being guilty for other people's actions. Why can't we all just be people? Why do we have to come with labels? You wanna just label people and make assumptions? Go ahead. How does it feel to be part of the problem? I'd rather be part of the solution.

PopCulturePooka · 23 May 2005

To adress Serpicos stuff, I agree with him, but find his excess of piss and venom somewhat un-needed. It seems he is hitting that point that lots of foreigners living in Japan reach, which is an anger and resentment towards many facets of Japanese culture. Myself I REALLY hated (and stil do) the treatment of women in the country, and stuff like talent scouts, molestation on trains and an almost acceptance of rape culture there.

I too also have tales of Japanese people showing very little care for their fellow men and women. I too have witnessed a person VERY much in need of help with no-one daring to lift a finger to do so.

Even little things. I once saw a women drop her wallet on the street. Obviously so. She didn't notice, but a good mass of others did. What did people do? Stared at the thing as if it were mystery meat. The women kept on walking. No-one bother to stop the women to tell her, grab the wallet and take it to her or anything. So I did. Grabbed the wallet, ran up to the lady and gave it too her. She thanked me greatly for it surprisingly. Next day I asked some students what they would do and they agreed the best option was to take it to the Koban. So in other words inconvienience the lass for a day or two instead of bending over and walking up to her.

My friend once saw a guy, apprantly a runt of a salary-man, sitting in Yodabashi camera, pants down in front of a TV pulling his pud to the gyrations of a J-pop girl on screen. Whacking away as if he was safely in his own room. People gave him a wide berth (understandably). My friend, offended by this, especially seeing as though his pregnant wife was nearby, complained to a nearby staff member. The staff member looked at the guy, shook his head and continued working. Mate tried another staff and got the same reaction. So he went back to the first staff member and DEMANDED he do something, and physically moved him towards said tally-whacker. The staff member grudgingly asked the man to stop, then death stared my friend. The guy was being a public nuisance and some would say danger, but the staff refused to stick their neck out to do something.

I think thats the root of it. Not so much a lck of caring about your fellow man, but a fear of sticking your neck out, being in the public eye, that really prevents people from helping or doing the right thing. That Japanese adage about the exposed nail getting struck down.

I also feel thats why you ALWAYS see a row of arrogant ***** salary-men sitting on a train while a women or old person is standing. Well, they are arrogant, so obviously this comment would go over the head of arrogant people like Belgians.

RockLee · 23 May 2005

FirstHousePooka said:
Mr RockLee how would you react if I stated that this guy is really arrogant and condescending, therefore he is Belgian or German, as all Belgian and Germans are arrogant?
I would wager it would be a pithy comment with a neg point.
Fact of the matter is you DO use every oppurtunity to try and sink the boot into America and Americans, then justify your bleatings with the tired cry of racists/nationists everywhere 'I'm not racist, I have black friends!!!'. Its really tiring to be honest, you're a broken record as much as serpico is.

As it stands this idea of Americans as whiners and whingers is fairly Euro-centric. In Australia the popular stereotype is that the Brits and Europeans are the ones who whinge and rant about everything.

My statement is not based on the American population, only on the American population on this board, it's something I noticed ONLINE.I said most of the time it's an American who rants (ON A FORUM OR SOME OTHER INTERNET MEDIUM) How could I condone the whole USA if I've never been there before or I don't know every damn American ? Did I talk about the whole USA? No I didn't, I merely talked about the people (yes Americans) ONLINE who ranted.Does that mean I think Americans are bad ? No it doesn't. Does it mean I think it's ALWAYS Americans who rant about something ? No it doesn't.I never ever talked about the whole USA itself, only about the members on this board.And they make up a great amount of ranters.Now if u want to compare the Americans on this board with the whole USA, then by all means that's up to you.It's not me who started attacking people, it was that anti-Japan guy who started, I merely made a remark about the American members ONLINE on this board who are mostly the ranters.I suggest u read everything I said and don't jump to conclusions that quickly.Besides me saying that the Americans on this site are known to be the nr1 ranters does not say I think Americans are ranters.Big difference, I generalize the online members who are American, not the whole society ;-)

PopCulturePooka · 23 May 2005

Brooker said:
It really makes me loose hope. Why even try to improve America's image in the world if, no matter what, we're all seen as being a bunch of @$$h0le$ no matter what we do. When I was in Japan, I did my best to be a good representation/ambassador of America. But my friends would just say, "Oh, you're the good American, but all of the others are bad." I give up! It doesn't do any good to be the exception to the rule. I'm just going to start being an @$$h0le if I'm just guilty until proven innocent anyways. But, you know what... I think it sucks. I'm tired of all the generalization and stereotyping. I'm tired of being guilty for other people's actions. Why can't we all just be people? Why do we have to come with labels? You wanna just label people and make assumptions? Go ahead. How does it feel to be part of the problem? I'd rather be part of the solution.

Mate, I believe its just jealousy. Tall poppy syndrome us Aussies call it. The collective need to knock the 'popular' or 'powerful' one down a few pegs.

As a reformed American hater, I understand the impotent rage many non-Americans feel when they think about America being the most influential nation on Erath and percieve their culture being wiped out byt American trends and ideas without stopping to think WHY thats happening.

Instead they see the big target, the easy target... the scapegoat some would say.

And the knives come out.

Of course the realisation soon comes that the object of their anger shouldn't be America as a collective. It should be ideas, people etc that are not representative of America as a whole at all. I still love to sink the boot into Conservatives, Right Wingers and Creationists. But no longer blame America for that or view America negatively because of those types.

When RockLee grows up a bit more he too will hit that realisation. Its a realisation stunning enough to crush worlds.

Ma Cherie · 23 May 2005

Brooker, I think you are letting RockLee's comments get to you. All of this started because of Serpico's rant. And he just happened to have been (or perhaps) is an American. You say that you ran into comments like "Oh you're the good American all the rest are bad" Well, you know what I say to that. That it's nothing more than pure ignorance on their part. To believe stereotypes is ignorance. It's a comfort zone if you ask me.

PopCulturePooka · 23 May 2005

RockLee said:
My statement is not based on the American population, only on the American population on this board, it's something I noticed ONLINE.I said most of the time it's an American who rants (ON A FORUM OR SOME OTHER INTERNET MEDIUM) How could I condone the whole USA if I've never been there before or I don't know every damn American ? Did I talk about the whole USA? No I didn't, I merely talked about the people (yes Americans) ONLINE who ranted.Does that mean I think Americans are bad ? No it doesn't. Does it mean I think it's ALWAYS Americans who rant about something ? No it doesn't.I never ever talked about the whole USA itself, only about the members on this board.And they make up a great amount of ranters.Now if u want to compare the Americans on this board with the whole USA, then by all means that's up to you.It's not me who started attacking people, it was that anti-Japan guy who started, I merely made a remark about the American members ONLINE on this board who are mostly the ranters.I suggest u read everything I said and don't jump to conclusions that quickly.Besides me saying that the Americans on this site are known to be the nr1 ranters does not say I think Americans are ranters.Big difference, I generalize the online members who are American, not the whole society ;-)

You also then must realise that the US has the highest per capita internet use in the english speaking world, therefore more Americans online then any other english speakers, therefore statistically you have a greater weight of ALL types of netizen from America. Including the ranters. Also comes from the internet still being rather Americo-centric as far as english sites go. Statistical law of averages.

Check out an Aussie only message board. You will still get ranters and whiners. In the same number I'd wager too. But they will all be Aussies. Recently the Korean blog scene had a MASSIVE iflux of whiners and ranters But you wouldn't have know or seen it because you don't read Korean or visit Korean language boards.

And by the way, your arguments are sticnking of backpeddle grease.

Brooker · 23 May 2005

RockLee said:
I generalize the online members who are American, not the whole society ;-)

Don't generalize!! You just don't seem to get it.

RockLee · 23 May 2005

Automatically asuming I'm against America.U have twisted the topic so bad it makes me say I hate Americans and I think Americans are ignorant.And all I did was make a comment about the Americans on this board make lots of anti-Japan rants.I tried to make a point, a fact.And all I get is flaming I'm generalizing the whole damn USA?? I never talked about other boards..just about Jref -__-; Stop inventing stuff I never even mentioned.I'm trying to make a point to this Japan-hater, yet I get negative reaction instead from everybody else.And for the last time Brooker, I'm not GENERALIZING !! At least not about the USA and all it's inhabitants.

When RockLee grows up a bit more he too will hit that realisation.

He who casts the first stone is without sins.

I'm not making America a scapegoat here, I just stated an observation for crying out loud.And I would appreciate if u just would see what I want to make clear to you guys ! :kanashii:

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