Question about の

TGO

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28 May 2006

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• 18 Jun 2006

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minna san...recently I stumbled across this drama title tsubasa no oreta tenshi tachi...while I can guess what the title implies, I cant figure out why the particle "no" is used...so far I have only seen の being used to indicate possession, to modify a verb or adjective into a noun or is added at the end of the sentence in various instances. Why is が not used instead since oreta appears to be a jidoushi? Pls help me...thanks a lot!!! ^

 

Mike Cash

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• 18 Jun 2006

• #2

In such cases, either の or が may be used.

 

TGO

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• #3

icic...thanks...how is this case particularly unique? Can I change every particle ga to no when dealing with jidoushi? Doumo arigatou ^^

 

JimmySeal

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• 18 Jun 2006

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The important lesson to take away here is that の can replace が to mark the subject of a subordinate clause.

OK: Tomodachi ga katta. 友達が買った。 (My) friend bought (it).
NO: Tomodachi no katta. 友達の買った。
OK: Tomodachi ga katta omocha... 友達が買ったおもちゃ... A toy that (my) friend bought
OK: Tomodachi no katta omocha... 友達の買ったおもちゃ... A toy that (my) friend bought


In this case tenshi isn't an object of oreta or anything like that. Here the subordinate clause describes the state/condition/characteristic of the noun it modifies:
Angel whose wing is broken/Angel with a broken wing

Don't get too hung up on this part. The の/が thing is more important. I trust that if you see this construction a few more times, you'll start to catch on.

 

TGO

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• #5

Thanks so much for the explanation!!

 

Elizabeth

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JimmySeal said:

The important lesson to take away here is that の can replace が to mark the subject of a subordinate clause.

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Both are grammatically acceptable and yet が I see much more commonly,
particularly in formal writing. の somehow appears sloppier, or broken, pardon the pun or at least better suited to casual/informal speech.

 

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TGO

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• #7

thanks alot

 

kuritiusu

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• 27 Jun 2006

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So, when is it okay to use の followed by a は, が, or a を? Is this sentence correct:

情報のはありがとう。
Thank you for the information.

 

Elizabeth

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• 27 Jun 2006

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kuritiusu said:

So, when is it okay to use の followed by a は, が, or a を? Is this sentence correct:
情報のはありがとう。
Thank you for the information.

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「情報のはありがとう」とは言いませんね。

There are some exceptions, but generally you would use のは、が、を after the dictionary form of the verb.

 

TGO

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I think のは etc is used to nominalise a verb or adjective...for eg 娘がうまれたのはイギリスです。