Particle placement with multiple particles

sikuneh · 19 Jun 2013

Hello, I'm new. I just picked up Japanese not too long ago and particles are still giving me trouble. For example, if I wanted to say: When will we go to Matt's house, my first try was "itsu watashitachi ga matto no uchi ni wa iku ka;" but I think that's wrong. Can someone help me?

pauro12 · 20 Jun 2013

I think it's... 私のいつまでにマットのうちへ行きますか。watashi tachi wa itsu made ni matto no uchi e ikimasu ka? Particles are kind of complicated to learn, as sometimes you can use either of two particles in a phrase or sentence.. So you need to study hard for this.. じゃ、日本語を勉強してください！頑張れ！

sikuneh · 20 Jun 2013

Thanks for responding so fast.

Why is watashi followed by no and translated into watashi tachi still?

For "itsu made," my book translates made (loosely) as "until," is that always used after a itsu?

Toritoribe · 20 Jun 2013

sikuneh said:
Hello, I'm new. I just picked up Japanese not too long ago and particles are still giving me trouble. For example, if I wanted to say: When will we go to Matt's house, my first try was "itsu watashitachi ga matto no uchi ni wa iku ka;" but I think that's wrong. Can someone help me?

casual
Itsu matto no uchi ni iku.(with the rising intonation)

polite
Itsu matto no uchi ni ikimasu ka.

In a casual form sentence, the question particle "ka" is not used in a casual interrogative sentence with an interrogative word such like itsu, doko, nani, dare...
The subject "watashitachi" can be omitted since it's obvious from the context.(You are asking to the one(s) who will go with you.)

sikuneh · 20 Jun 2013

That sounds much better. I still haven't gotten the hang of omitting known context. Doumo.

pauro12 · 22 Jun 2013

sikuneh said:
Thanks for responding so fast.

Why is watashi followed by no and translated into watashi tachi still?

For "itsu made," my book translates made (loosely) as "until," is that always used after a itsu?

There was a little bit of mistake in the japanese kanas used.. Should be, 私たちはいつまでにマットのうちへ行きますか？Though this is formal.. I believe need to learn the formal Japanese first before the casual, as when you try to find friends or any Japanese people to talk with, they would think as you as rude if you don't speak in formal way... Hope this helps..

nahadef · 22 Jun 2013

pauro12 said:
There was a little bit of mistake in the japanese kanas used.. Should be, 私たちはいつまでにマットのうちへ行きますか？Though this is formal.. I believe need to learn the formal Japanese first before the casual, as when you try to find friends or any Japanese people to talk with, they would think as you as rude if you don't speak in formal way... Hope this helps..

I don't think までに was correct in your post. That means 'by', so it's not necessary in the phrase originally asked.

For Sikuneh, まで is 'until', までに is 'by.' A curious difference, but an important one.

Toritoribe · 22 Jun 2013

いつまでに means "until", not "when", as the OP translated correctly.
私たちは can be omitted, or rather, it's far more common and natural not to say it since it's obvious, as I wrote.

EDIT:
Ooops, nahadef-san beats me!

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