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I thought that the neg rep was a good thing. It seems to me that the positive rep was the one most often abused! That and if you gave the wrong person neg rep (for a valid reason) they tended to get upset and retaliate against you...but that is not really a problem in my mind. There were safeguards in place to keep people from repeatedly giving bad rep to the same people over and over...so it all worked out.

Now the only way to police each other is to run to a mod...I personally liked the old way better...even though I am probably in the minority!

Another way that I have seen that works well in other forums is to require that people sign their post with their real names. If they don't sign, a mod deletes the post, that simple...and people tend to play nicer and not get so agressive when their name is out there for all to see.
 
Upon reflection ...

CC1 has a point here.

Even in the real world, preventative medicine is the best!

I really like his last paragraph. As one who does not hide behind total anonymity I do feel that it is something that could be given consideration (and I would have no objection at all) ... although I do realise that there are many drawbacks ....

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If I had to sign my posts with my real name I would be out of here like a shot! I'm not overly cautious about revealing it - a few members know it. But if I made it public, there are certain things I would feel unable to say - like comments about my in-laws
 


Ah, but wouldn't the old saying fit well? "If you don't have anything nice to say, then don't say anything at all!"

Not to mention, people who are so quick to criticize things or people would maybe be a little nicer about it! It is quite hypocritical to get paid by someone to do a job, and then turn around and criticize them openly in a public forum for things that they do that annoy you...I would bet that many people here do not have the courage to tell people that those same things annoy them!
 
.... er ... yes! Hadn't thought of that one!
I must agree; your point about making comments about the in-laws could indeed present a major problem! I think we've all been there!

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Good Sledgehammer !

I miss the ability to get someone's attention who angers me. I think I used negative rep about 5 times in two years. When someone posts something totally outrageous & upsetting, it felt good to be able to do something on my own about it.

Frank

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it's been a couple of months now, since there is no negative Rep points, and I wonder what everyone is thinking about it!!

Do you think that Jref has become a better Forum? or do you think it went down!

I kinda miss the negative rep points, even though I didn't used them a lot, and I know that some people misabused them. I just want people to know I disagree with their post, and just replying doesn't always work!!!
 


▪♥▪I think this forum has gone down. I hope its not because I came in obnoxious self-centered manner, but alot of people here have been an annoyance in chat.▪♥▪
 
I'm with Frank. Some folks are just plain annoying and ignorant of their own self-righteous stupidity.

I think the forum has gone down, too, but maybe not because of the rep point thing. Maybe it's because I'm not too fond of some of the new folks that came in during my short break (I just don't bother reading/responding to some people's posts anymore- it's pointless to get into arguments since it takes up time and energy and never settles). Maybe it's because of Lexico's absence
 
lastmagi, you are wise beyond your years.
 
I remember ages ago when maybe just a couple of months after i joined this forum, a guy called "Puzzle" joined up while there were very few members logged on, including no mods/admins. He went around posting some really sick anti-japanese stuff like pictures of dead japanese people and went around trolling and in a matter of only about 10mins he had posted a lot of nasty stuff around almost every section of the forum- i went and relataliated at some of the things he said(can't say i wasn't too polite at some of the stuff he was doing).
Anyways, soon somone came a long and banned him and deleted all his posts, but they didn't delete the stuff i had said to him. So i got a whole heap of negative rep before i even knew what what the reputation system thing was 'cos a load of people must have thought i was just randomly throwing insults at no-one in various threads.

I never really noticed the reputation point system much other than that...I use it quite often to give good rep points to people, but it doesn't really have a whole lot of use in the forum apart from finding out who agree's with various opinions/statements you make and whatnot, which is more of a curiosity thing than anything else...And i guess such a system does perhaps make people more aware of what they are saying? Or does it just opress certain views and opinions that various people have?
 
Does anyone have a star?? I dont think I have seen one of them...
 
I am new so I only have been here over a month but I don't remember seeing a lot of flaming in this board, but there are lots of posts I have not read. The only ones I remember are in the China and Japan bilateral relation threads, but it is a sensitive topic.

But according to this thread and some other threads to do with blocking or ignore button I can see that there seem to be a lot of conflict in here that I am not aware of. However I do not think the atmosphere in this message board is that terrible, I find it quite peaceful for me so far, although I find some people are rather cold towards me at times, maybe it's because I am Chinese? (Even I am not from China.) Don't worry I don't take what people say on the message board that personally.
 
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Nono, don't worry Minty. You being Chinese should be fine. It's just that there are always going to be idiots, the naive, etc. regardless of what your ancestry is.

I've noticed that many of the forum are actually open-minded enough to be critical of Japan. This is a Japan-reference forum, not a put-Japan-on-a-pedestal forum (although some folks DO do the latter...). Even one of the admins, Maciamo, has written some criticisms of its society which are on the main nonforum site of jref. (While others have disagreed with him, I tend to see these criticisms as a definite possibility, so I keep them in mind.)

So don't let things bother you. We welcome all people. If anything, it's the extreme "Japanophile" that bothers us


lastmagi, you are wise beyond your years.
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Well, I've been finding myself getting annoyed more and more easily, resulting in me hastily posting heated replies. So I guess I'm not quite there yet . I'm surprised I haven't been banned yet.
 
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Thanks, that very nice of you. Talk to you later!
 
My abuse of the reputation point system was really childish of me. I apoligize for my behavior a few months ago. I really hope it didn't have that profound of an effect on disabling neg. reputation points.
 
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I haven't posted in ages. I'd bet my negative rep would have been sky high, but I'm generally a nice person so it would have just gone back up.
 
I would have never given neg rep points to anyone, unless they were being derogatory, or said something offensive. I especially hate ad hominem attacks.

But either way, I really don't care.
 
I actually miss neg rep, nowerdays im a bit more blunt, and some folk not entirely likable seem more confident to strut around.

Seems a mixed blessing, we can be a bit more honest, but then, but now some folk can hijack sections of the forum at a time, confident in their ability to avoid community punishment like bad rep.
 

I think people should be allowed to criticise, it's called freedom of speech. If a person goes to far even without the negative point others will remember the person any way so the effect is the same.

I know some people here only want to hear about the good stuff of Japan but I think it is unrealistic; we don't live in a utopia. I think as long as it is kept under control it should be still ok.
 
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I know some people here only want to hear about the good stuff of Japan but I think it is unrealistic; we don't live in a utopia. I think as long as it is kept under control it should be still ok.
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I know some people who only talk about the bad stuff, while THE TOPIC Japan deserves more positive posts.. ESPECIALY the Immigration foreigners section... that is just negative!!!!!!!!!!
 
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I know some people who only talk about the bad stuff, while THE TOPIC Japan deserves more positive posts.. ESPECIALY the Immigration foreigners section... that is just negative!!!!!!!!!!
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There are certain sections in here that do have many negative posts but that's because they are touchy issues, you can't force people to say only good things about Japan because that's how you feel about Japan. However I agree that if you really want to add more positive posts to those sections, that's perfectly fine, no doubt. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
 
Freedom of speech isnt the problem, and since this is a privately owned internet forum, freedom of speech is garunteed with my ***, seriously though it doesnt exist.

Neg rep ensured folk behaved, its not about good or bad of japan, its about people not afraid of consiquences (mainly because the forum ownership dont seem to bothered about enforcing the law).

I dunno, i just think we need neg rep back, the community was better at policing itself, the forums have went to crap since we lost it, not so bad, but, not as good as it used to be.

We can either have crippling moderation, or community policed neg rep, i like the latter myself.
 

I understand perfectly your point. But sometimes just because people don't agree with what others said doesn't necessarily make that person a bad one, having negative reputation will encourage abuse of it, then people will be forced to say only good things about Japan or pay the consequences which is not necessarily right. I know in general Japan is a country with lots of positive points but she has her down side too.

I understand that you are in love with a Japanese woman and you don't like to see any bad points made about Japan. But the way I see it the message board is a discussion forum, people come here to share ideas and views, people agree and disagree this is human nature. As long as it is kept under control and not go over the board I think it is ok, this is where the moderators come in and give people who did go over the board warnings. If they continue to behave in an unacceptable manner I propose them to be banned.
 
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