Not really, Hitler made the movement popular &, after becoming its leader, gave directions, but he didn't start it. It seems that only in 1919 he became interested in nationalist ideology & in 1920 he joined as 55th member the DAP (later NSDAP). The DAP was already anti-Jewish, xenophobic & what some call pseudo-Socialist before Hitler joined.Hiroshi66 said:It was really Adolf Hitler who started the Nazi movement in 1923 in Bavaria. Prior to that, however, there were people who were anti-Weimar, but their names are unknown to me.
Yeah, & a lot of anti-Weimar forces were Communist/Socialist. The situation in Germany of that time was quite confused (up to 1930 there was even quite a number of "left-wing" Socialists in the NSDAP).Hiroshi66 said:Bossel ~ Well you know it better than I do. I know for a fact Hitler went to jail in 1923 for trying to start a revolt of some scale in Bavaria and in prison wrote Mein Kampf. However, the anti-Weimar movements were not generally right-wing. Some were quite reactionary and royalist.
Martialartsnovice said:the short revolt you speak of, is when hitler jumped up on a munich beer hall table, and shouted "The revolution has begun".
You're both talking of the same event, I think. On 8. Nov. 1923 Hitler stormed into a meeting of his "ally" Kahr & proclaimed the "National Revolution" & the forming of a "provisional national government". The next day Hitler & Ludendorff led a march to the Feldherrnhalle where the police stopped it by force. Ludendorff was arrested the same day, Hitler some days later.Hiroshi66 said:Yes - but wasn't there a more serious attempt where Hitler actually attempted to stage a coup in Bavaria?
Nah, my relatives are all from the Netherrhine area. Anyway, my grandma was born in 1921, slightly too young to have any memory of that event.Bossel, I bet you might have heard it from a relative, who lived in that era, in Munich area.
Kaiser Wilhelm II died 1941 in the Netherlands (his exile). He was not too fond of the Nazis, for what I know. His only aim seems to have been the re-installation of German monarchy. When the Nazis showed no intention of doing so, he decreed in his last will that he wanted to be buried in the Netherlands, in a military ceremony without Nazi-flags, funeral speech, singing or praying.Hiroshi66 said:Thanks for the clariffication, bossel. I know that Hitler was in prison and wrote Mein Kampf there. When did the Kaiser die?
I must admit, I never heard of such a meeting.Hiroshi66 said:because I remember hearing Hitler and the Kaiser having a meeting in 1940/41 in the Netherlands when the Kaiser asked Hitler what he had done so far - and Hitler saying that he had conquered France.
You're right that they weren't fond of each other. But Wilhelm still had quite a number of supporters, esp. among the officers. Anyway, Wilhelm was not really held responsible for the defeat in WWI. Have you ever heard of the Dolchstoßlegende? Communists, republicans and "international Jewry" were said to be responsible, not the military, not the Kaiser.Hiroshi66 said:It is surprising that the Nazi's didn't jail Wilhelm II when they took Amsterdam in 1940. I know for a fact Hitler wasn't fond of Wilhelm because he was the one who was the leader during Germany's loss in 1918.
Problem is, in the beginning Hitler wasn't taken too seriously, either. We should always be on the lookout.Timsan said:In our era, no one but the ignorant ***** takes the viewpoints of a racist seriously.
BWAHAHAHAhahaha! I just had this visual of Klansmen in their sheets and Nazi uniforms with the swastika armbands out picking litter on a highway! Waaaaay too tempting for passing motorists!sabro said:According to the supreme court, however the KKK have the right to "Adopt a Highway."
Yep, those politicians who advocated a democratic republic.Hiroshi66 said:I see - thanks bossel. I must have been mistaken. By republicans you mean people who became the future elite of the Weimar Republic?