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Moi Dix Mois

heh.. and offcource those adorable Mary Jane shoes^^
A friend of mine just ordered some dresses via net. envy her.. I want to order som arristocrat chlotes from a place here in Norway called wolfslair^^ They are really good on typical victorain fashion^^
 
Ha ha. Nothing wrong with that.

Sometimes I think its a bit hard to keep up with the visual style MdM and MM sell. They really ARE visual kei bands at the highest levle. But I guess the good part of it is that it never really goes out os style. There isnt some division of lolita that can be classified as "old" or new, which we have Mana to thank for. His definition of "timesless lolita" seems to have really set the foundation for the fashion industy specializing this style.

Oh, and wird to the wise, Mana's shop isnt taking online orders for over sea's buyers. Just a warning because today I ran into the 100th person who was in tears because they had expected it to be different.
 
Make one if you want one!

Actually, most of 'top' threads here discuss appearence as much as (if not more than) music. I'm fed up with trying to differentiate between where exactly something stops being 'music' and starts being 'visual' or 'fashion'. So I've stopped bothering to try...

In a sense, I suppose that's the aim of (some) VK bands... to fuse music with theatrics in such a way that you get a blended art-form where you can't separate the two. The 'performance art' field, within the more 'arty' circles, has been experimenting with this sort of thing for decades, but so far, professional musicians have moved in entirely different circles. 'Fine artists', dancers/choreographers and people involved in the theatre have had certain successes in terms of things like 'happenings', installations, sound sculptures and other multimedia arts, but the fact remains that popular, 'normal' music and those that make it have largely remained outside of that sort of thing. That is, for me, one of the main interesting things about VK - the way the evolution of the arts is taking an unexpected turn.

Eeeek! I'm talking like a bloody book! Shut up already!
 
No no! I completely agree with you! Thats why I always end up atlking about the two with bands that are so completely vk. I mean honestly i can listen to their music and enjoy it....but i feel like i'm missing something if i'm not watching it as well. I firmly belive that thats the way its MENT to be viewed. I mean you cant really sepperate one from the other can you? :?

In the way that youve mentioned they have in a very realy way created something completely different.

I was just sitting back and giving the oppertunity to see if a fashion thread would show up. I mean I guess not all people would agree with my philosophy and would see it as getting off topic and i didnt want any body to get mad....But honestly i dont think its off topic at all.
 
Yeah, I had been thinking about these things in relation to various threads on Batsu forum. And there's a thread on here, somewhere way back, called "Is it all about the visual?" in which there's a bit of a discussion on that sort of thing.

When you think about it, though, from about the mid-20th century onwards, music of all types has had a really big influence on fashion. I mean, if you look at a group of people, sometimes you can make assumptions about what music they listen to. Not that you would always be right, but there is a certain amount of 'stereotyping' that goes on, based around what people wear and closely coupled with music. People are willing to bend the stereotypes - for example, it's quite well-known that a lot of metal guitarists are very technically-minded about music theory, and listen to classical music as well as heavier music - but only to a certain extent - for example, people would generally be a bit surprised by someone who dressed in industrial gothic style, but listened only to classical music and hip-hop!

My my, tis a strange phenomenen indeed, is fashion...
 
Right you are indeed! So itonly makes sence that there would be a natural "evolution" of music that would completely blend and encompas the two. Not to say that they cant and arnt enjoyed seperatly, but I only get the feeling that they become whole while comming together.
 
I think there's value in a variety of things. When something 'visual + music' is done well, it is a different kind of art form than music by itself. It's slightly complicated by the fact that 'music-only' bands obviously have to give live shows too, which are visual by nature no matter what the band is, but there is still a boundary... somewhere...

Personally, I incline more to the 'music' side of things... which is kind of strange considering my training was in the visual arts... but mainly, I think it's because music by itself is more 'accessible' in the most basic sense of the word. For example, you can take music with you anywhere on your mp3 player; you can listen to it in the dark, or with your eyes closed; you've got your voice with you at all times, you can always sing. Don't get me wrong though; I adore good visuals - most especially great PVs and well-composed, artistic photos, as well as interesting and beautiful costumes - and I find it all fascinating.

I suppose VK was bound to fascinate me, being as though I have the kind of brain that sprouts thoughts in all directions, rather than any particular specific talents. :nuts:
 
I agree with you.
A lot of bands and artists will never become big and famous becouse of that they look boring on stage. The cd's can always sell but the live shows are the ultimate connection between the artists and the fans.
 
Welcome to the forum, Illuminati Diamant!
I hope you like it here!
 
I would also like to wish a warm welcome to Illuminati (Visual you ole' deviant you! )

I dont think that one has to wear that style of clothes to be considered a die hard fan though. Honestly most of the vk fans I know here in the us rub a little mascara on and call it a day. My choosing to go all out by scourinh ebay and making my own clothes comes more out of a personal interest and 7 years at an art acadamy that was given fuel by the vk scene rather than started by it.

And of corse I would always lean twords the music aspect of it before the visual because with out the music as pretty as it is the visuals are all around us and therefore nothing new....
 
If you go to consert how do you want the artist to be...just plain and normal people?
No you want something special, something you never seen before, something that makes the visual and music aspect go together.

Thats Vk!!!
 
Well, it all depends.

I dont NEED my artists to be vk. Beck sure as heck isnt vk and I enjoyed myself beyond all good taste at his last concert I attended. In fact he dresses quite plain by jrock standards : no bloody bandages, no feathers, no silks or satans and yet I still like listening to him.

VK is more of an extra pop for me. I would listen to vk bands even if they all played in pajama bottoms and tinker belle tshirts.

But for people to enjoy there music and be die hard fans I think they get the dress code a little mixed thats all. My best friend through out most of high school wore an ugly straw hat with a ratty blue feather in it and was the biggest Diru fan I've ever seen.
 
Sorry I didn't mean to say that an artist MUST dress different but it must be something special (the artist need to have "IT") on the stage or else it will be boring.
 
I agree!

I just dont think that clothes are always the way to have IT, and fans dont always need to immitate their favorite artists inorder to identify them selves with that music genera.
 
Yeah, I think you are both right.

Live performance is really important because it's the way of communicating the music... and there's a totally different feel at live, regardless of whether it is VK or not... it's as much about the way the musicians put themselves across... and the feeling of being part of a crowd of fans, too...

no silks or satans
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Freudian slip?

I would listen to vk bands even if they all played in pajama bottoms and tinker belle tshirts.
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Hang on, hasn't Miyavi done that, too? no wait......
 
Indeed. It gets a bit fristerating when I run into nit wits who are picking vk bands apart SERIOUSLY about their looks or what not. I ran into a girl once who siad she refused to listen to mailce mizer because mana looked like a "cheep mexican *****". Man that made me angry! :box:

Or another person who I ran into who said that they could never really get into vk because they didnt think that they (the speaker, not the band) looked good in that type of clothes.

Of corse it also works both ways. People also get into a band just on the basis of how they look, we've al done that sooner or later, but if you really dont have a serious interest soponer or later it all dies down so I dont really consider this anything to get worked up over. (kind of like "so what?")
 
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Or another person who I ran into who said that they could never really get into vk because they didnt think that they (the speaker, not the band) looked good in that type of clothes.
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Woah - strange indeed.
Anyway, for 'VK' you can dress anyhow you want... some kind of old-lady clothes... more or less anything can look good if you have dah style! *coughcough* I don't dress much VK... well, sometimes I do, but not like really majorly EGL. To be honest I would look totally stupid wearing EGL, same with those 'cute' kinds of clothes. Nahh, I'll stick to black, red and purple and looking like something the cat dragged in. :auch:
 

THAT'S STYLE!!!!
 
Indeed! I think its important to dress how ever YOU feel best in. Yes I like vk, but I'm not about to throw my life away for something I wont look good in. God knows if i ever start wearing sweet lolita somebody needs to shoot me.

It took me a loooong time to finally build a wardrobe I'm comftorable in and I'm not about to let somebodies notion of what a fan is "supposed" to look like throw all of my electric green eyeshadow away.
 
Hehe, but I still find myself thinking of stereotypes sometimes. Imagine if you had a dozen people in front of you and were playing the game of 'spot the VK fan'! I wonder how many of us would choose 'the odd-looking one'? I know I probably would....
 
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