Learning Kanasi-ben

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swe12

後輩

23 Aug 2005

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• 20 Oct 2005

• #1

Where can I learn Kanasi-ben on-line?

 

Glenn

一切皆苦

8 Jan 2004

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• 20 Oct 2005

• #2

Can you read Japanese?

Have you tried searching?

Have you checked Amazon?

 

budd

先輩

10 Jul 2003

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• 21 Oct 2005

• #3

hahaha! but he did say he wanted to learn it online?
Osaka ben (the kansai dialect of Japanese)
link on bottom of page in searching link
oh yeah, and vouching for Kinki Japanese as a good resource imo

But the dangers in speaking kansai ben should be noted?

 

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nhk9

先輩

27 Aug 2004

415

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• 21 Oct 2005

• #4

The following is a pretty good link (Japanese site)

くいだおれ大阪どっとこむ

 

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Pierrot le Fou

十人黄色

14 Oct 2005

61

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• 21 Oct 2005

• #5

Unless you're actually going to live in Kansai, I highly recommend against learning Kansai-ben. Really highly recommend against it. I picked it up because I live here, but I do run into vocab trouble when I go elsewhere.

For instance, ask for ジャスト when ordering a drink in Kansai, or perhaps just Kyoto, and you'll get a strong drink. Ask anywhere else, and you just get black stares. Also your intonation will be off, and make your Japanese just seem stranger.

 

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studyonline

後輩

2 Jul 2005

84

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• 22 Oct 2005

• #6

That surely is not a good choice to learn Japanese. Learning Kansai-ben is for more like those Japanese who don't speak or understand. The only reason I can recommend is that if you go to Osaka area.

 

budd

先輩

10 Jul 2003

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• 25 Oct 2005

• #7

maybe the original poster wants to become a comedian or meibutsu gaikokujin or something
he didn't say he wanted to learn ONLY kansai-ben?

 

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Pierrot le Fou

十人黄色

14 Oct 2005

61

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• 25 Oct 2005

• #8

It's really hard to 'swap' dialects as a beginning learner, assuming he is a beginning/intermediate speaker.

If he were a higher level, he could just download Osaka television shows and learn that way.

Comedians in Tokyo don't use Kansai-ben in their manzai and whatnot either.

 

Elizabeth

先輩

22 Apr 2003

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• 25 Oct 2005

• #9

swe12 said:

Where can I learn Kanasi-ben on-line?

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アメリカのような、スウェーデンは大きな方言の違いがなければ、関西弁の勉強の問題を
理解しにくいかもしれませんね。

 

budd

先輩

10 Jul 2003

2,069

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• 26 Oct 2005

• #10

"Comedians in Tokyo don't use Kansai-ben in their manzai and whatnot either."

YOSHIMOTO SHINKIGEKI

 

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Pierrot le Fou

十人黄色

14 Oct 2005

61

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• 26 Oct 2005

• #11

Except that the program you linked to is an Osaka comedy if I'm not mistaken (and the website you linked is not mistaken). On that yearly Manzai comedy competition thing, the Tokyo acts use very different humour (and language) from the Osaka acts much of the time. While Kansai-ben is still the 'standard' for Manzai and comedy, that's just because most of the famous comedians/manzai-conbis are from Osaka.

 

senseiman

先輩

24 Jun 2003

679

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• 26 Oct 2005

• #12

From the way it was explained to me, an apprenticeship in Kansai was a must-have for any aspiring comedian looking to make it big in Japan. Manzai is definitely well suited to Kansai ben, seeing a guy shout "nande -o-nen" and slap someone on the backside of the head just wouldn't be funny in standard Japanese.

I learned Kansai ben while I was in Japan (In Himeji, which has its own sub-dialect called Banshu ben that is apparently one of the ruder sounding ways of speaking) and had a great time with it. I'd get some of the strangest looks.

 

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Pierrot le Fou

十人黄色

14 Oct 2005

61

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• 28 Oct 2005

• #13

But again, if this were the level where the OP were able to be discussing the finer points of Manzai comedy, then they could just watch Kansai Manzai and/or watch Osaka television shows and pick up the dialect no problem. If someone wants to learn Japanese, then they should probably stick to hyojungo due to it being understood across Japan, or the local dialect of the place they're living.

It's like trying to learn how to mimic a cockney accent before being able to master the intricacies of SVO sentences...