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Gaijin or Gaikokujin?

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Back in the late 70's, a movement was started by a letter to the Japan Times demanding, and insisting, that the Japanese Government refrain from using the term "Gaijin" from all official documents and language. Instead the word "Gaikokujin" should be used. This person was particularily referring to the "Gaijin Card" and the fact that that in some English translations the term "alien" was used at City Halls, airports, immigration offices, etc.

He, or she, said that, paraphrasing here, "I am not from another planet. I am from earth, the same as you and therefore should be referred to as a person from a foreign country and not an alien from another planet."

This soon gained momentum with more and more letters being written, and a few stories written by foreign journalists of the English language versions of the Asahi & Yomuri Shinbuns in sympathy with this person. The debate lasted some years and I don't remember if it was resolved before I left. However, I do recall during my recent bi-annual visits there the past few years that the term foreigner is used rather than the word alien at the airport.

To me, I was totally against it as I didn't care one way or the other. After all I do seem alien to the Japanese and I am a foreigner. I was so used to the word "gaijin", that it didn't phase me that it ment alien. To other foreigners living in Japan it was a real sore point and it particularly irked them. (It irked those the most that didn't learn to speak the language or learn the culture. Hmmmmm). Apparently it still does today. Sometimes this PC thing can get a little too out of hand.

If I'm not mistaken, I think my Japanese wife here in America has what is known as an.......... "Alien Registration Card". Ahem. Does that mean she is from another planet??? or are "Illegal Aliens" here in the states from other galaxies? Just wondering?
 
uneducated masses need to be educated

alien does not mean from another planet.. it just means not us, different or strange..

from dictionary.com

a·li·en
adj.

1. Owing political allegiance to another country or government; foreign: alien residents.
2. Belonging to, characteristic of, or constituting another and very different place, society, or person; strange. See Synonyms at foreign.
3. Dissimilar, inconsistent, or opposed, as in nature: emotions alien to her temperament.


n.

1. An unnaturalized foreign resident of a country. Also called noncitizen.
2. A person from another and very different family, people, or place.
3. A person who is not included in a group; an outsider.
4. A creature from outer space: science fiction about an invasion of aliens.
5. Ecology. An organism, especially a plant or animal, that occurs in or is naturalized in a region to which it is not native.
 
TwistedMac: Completely understand where you're coming from. But back then, when the Japanese used the term "alien" alot of foreigners took it to mean "not of this planet" as they translated the Kanji directly from Japanese/English dictionaries. Not as you have so eloquently posted above.
 
I was wondering about how "foreigners" in the US felt about being labeled "alien" in the nominal. I personally found that a little amusing, since my first childhood exposure to the word came from those several popular TV Sci-Fi series such as Star Trek, Lost in Space, Invaders, and some others. Etymologically speaking, "alien" should come from the Greek /alos/ simply meaning adj. "different" or n. "sth. that is different." But that's not the order in which I first learned it. Men in Black seems to draw some serious puns out of this awkward discrepancy of use.

Perhaps the French telephone greeting /alo! alo!/ means, alien, alien, how are you?

So here are some more questions: why do some American born US citizens irritated by being labeled "gaijin" when their own government is using "alien" for people from other countries? Ignorance, double standard, or simply knowing too much of Japanese for a foreigner? btw ignorance can mean three different things: about Japan, US, or both!

Another question to titilate your brains: 窶愿コ窶怒ツ人 > ナクd窶ーツサツ人 > ナ?Oナ。ツ?ツ人 > ナ?Oナ?Eツ人 > ナ?Oツ人 seems to be the Japanese concept of hierarchy when it comes to blood. Isn't "gaijin" a slang for "mercenaries" or "hired foreigners to do various menial jobs?" So I tend to agree with some of you people who were furious about the word "gaijin." It happans to fall just between the beasts 窶几ツ青カ and all other forms of human existence. It is a derrogatory term, I think. Almost subhuman, even less human than the aliens from outer space. Is my argument extreme?
 
Strange arguement for a English speaking person to object to 'alien', as foreigners in the UK or US are classed 'aliens' too. But generaly the term is only used when talking about foreigners residing here illegaly.
 
JustJosh said:
But generaly the term is only used when talking about foreigners residing here illegaly.
That is interesting information coming from the British Isles' English usage. I would assume this is colloquial British English, ne? Is it also the official usage by the government?
 
lexico said:
That is interesting information coming from the British Isles' English usage. I would assume this is colloquial British English, ne? Is it also the official usage by the government?

Well, this is from a US Govey site, but the same applies to UK Gov. usage

'A person residing under a government or in a country other than that of one's birth without having or obtaining the status of citizenship there.
bensguide.gpo.gov/9-12/glossary.html'

It's not the general or casual (colloquial) term used in everyday usage though.
 
Thanks for digging that up, JustJosh. It always helps to get the base established before advancing to further discussion.
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Coming to think of it; "kikajin"=naturalized citizen is also a funny term in both languages. Usage can be unserstood; but the original sense can still be objectionable. Of course all cultures are ethnocentric, but is it civilized to continue with the "helene" vs. "barbaroi" distinction in a world growing ever more cosmopolitan? In other words, are we treating foreigners fairly and with compassion, when we were once foreigners in a strange land? :?
I also wonder what Mike might have to say about this? :?
 
I may be wrong here, PachiPro, but I just noticed that your avatar is alien, as in alien-alian.
Are you into SETI or Ufology?

Even more, (if you are allowed to reveal your true identity by your senior command) are you alien to this third rock of the solar galaxy?

If you are, you are very welcome to Earth!
I'm assuming you have only friendly intentions here.
That is, operating under no subvertive schemes to colonize with extreme prejudice.
Why not live together in peace and harmony?
Who knows, maybe Maciamo will be able to grant you permanent citizenship in JREFland?
Check this out, PachiPro, a super country is born! JREF Community now more populous than 11 countries
They are doing a rerun of the series V on TV; one of my favorites!
I just wanted to make sure!
 
I personally prefer the term 窶芭ツ人, don't know if this is also used in Japanese and second to that is ヒ?卍坂?伉人ツ「窶堋「窶堋ア窶堋ュ窶堋カ窶堙アツ」

ニ但ニ誰ニ湛
 
Some people go through their lives seeking things to get their panties wadded, knotted, and wedged about.
 
Sorry, I cannot reveal that at the moment as I'm currently doing research.

I use the avatar as I thought it would be appropriate for this site as, stated earlier, I have been called "alien" for so long by the Japanese that it has become a part of my being on this planet, so to speak. Even when I was granted permanent residence in Japan I was considered a "resident alien". So, when I slipped and told people the truth about being an alien after some drinking, they just thought I was from another country so my cover was not blown.

I also selected it because of my interest in scIFi and UFO's which I have been researching for over 20 years now.

lexico said:
If you are, you are very welcome to Earth!
Thank you. Very kind of you.

lexico said:
I'm assuming you have only friendly intentions here.
Yes. Friendly intentions only. If they don't stop shooting at us I can't say for sure.

lexico said:
That is, operating under no subvertive schemes to colonize with extreme prejudice.
None whatsoever. Too difficult to colonize. Would only be a long drawn out war. Your planet is still so young and immature. Just researching.

lexico said:
Why not live together in peace and harmony?
Our thoughts exactly, but it seems no one down here wants peace and harmony.

lexico said:
Who knows, maybe Maciamo will be able to grant you permanent citizenship in JREFland?
Hmmm. After observing this planet and some of the immaturaty here, I'll settle for a temporary resident "gaijin" visa for the moment. We do have high hopes for you though.

lexico said:
They are doing a rerun of the series V on TV; one of my favorites!
I just wanted to make sure!
That was a great mini-series wasn't it? I remember renting it in Japan in the late 80's and was completely blown away by it. It was great. I got a little worried there for a moment as I thought our cover was blown. But we don't eat off the heads of birds. We are mainly vegitarians with a little fish and animal meat thrown in once in a while. My favorite scIFi right now is Stargate 1, which I had no idea had been on for the last 7 years until I started watching it one night by accident. I didn't much like the movie, but the series is blowing me away and coincides nicely with some of the research I have done. I had to go and buy the complete first 7 years on DVD to see how much they really know about us.

Nice meeting you and thanks for the warm welcome
 
mikecash said:
Some people go through their lives seeking things to get their panties wadded, knotted, and wedged about.
I seek ways to wad, put knots on and wedge other people's panties...
In all the meanings that sentence can possibly have.
 
According to our good friend debito, 窶伉シツ坂?伉人 (takokujin) would be preferable, since the clearest comparison is that when referring to people:
TA/hoka = something else.
GAI/soto = something awful.

The difference between differentiation (kubetsu) and discrimation (sabetsu)
 

I couldn't agree more. The point is that, with a massive letter writing campaign, with many foreigners in Japan participating, it worked.
 
Kintaro said:
According to our good friend debito, 窶伉シツ坂?伉人 (takokujin) would be preferable, since the clearest comparison is that when referring to people:
TA/hoka = something else.
GAI/soto = something awful.

Is the 窶伉シ/ナ?O distinction another dipperful out of Debito's crock? Or is that something you came up with yourself?
 
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