Well, I think that I have to clarify something: I'm talking about this because I have lived this situation, before and everyday... I should have investigated before making this if you fit on what I have defined as "jappers" (some japanese wannabe freaks) or not, but in ispite of this, I still believe on what I'm saying.
Hmmm, let's make this by parts:
hebiichigo said:
So, do you think the creator of these forums are elitist because this subforum (is that even the right word?) is labelled "J-Pop" and not just "Pop"? Because Japanese pop is just pop music sung in Japanese. And after we all talk mainly about Japan so we should just know that this is a forum for Japanese music even if it's not labelled "J-Pop"... Right?
Mmmm, he is not "elitist", after all, this is a Japan Forum... and talking about personal experiences, I have to say that some forums are "elitist" (NOT this one) because they have a music forum and *boom*, you can see an special subforum of "jpop"... why don't they open a British music subforum?? or even a mexican music subforum?? This could be elitist, don't you think so??
And talking about this forum, I think I can use again what I said before: if this is a JAPANESE forum, why do you have to use the "j" tag?? it is redundant, it's like asking "what does the cooking channel show??" I think it is implicit that we are going to talk about japanese music in a japanese forum, so I think the "j" here is useless
hebiichigo said:
I understand what you're saying, but I don't think people use the term "J-rock" in order to be elitist. It probably doesn't cross their mind at all. In my opinion, if they're not actually thinking, "I'll say it like THIS so that I look better than everyone else.." they're not trying to be elitist at all. I think it's so widely used people just don't notice. I don't think it's that big of a deal
Thanks for understanding what I'm trying to explain, I know also that I didn't make it on a right way, but I felt dissapointed to see that even in other parts of the world the japanese music listeners would be the same as the ones I have to put up with everyday on some forums.
Sadly, that thing that you say happens here in Latin America, here the "otakus" (speciallyin Mexico) kidnapped japanese music and made it an elitist thing... they made a "clichοΎο½©" that all japanese music is just the anime intros and endings, and if you listen to japanese music you are an otaku, and even worse: if you are not an otaku you can't listen to japanese music... also, they affirm that Visual Kei is a music style
eek: ) when it is just an aesthetic style.
I guess that if you say you're not making it for being elitist, I have to believe it :sorry:
POISONxIVY said:
I never said Jrock was a style of rock, so I don't know what you are getting at with this. I never disagreed with you that japanese rock music is just rock music that is from japan, and has japanese members in it. If you don't like the letter J in front of things, why are you in a Jpop forum? It doesn't make much sense to me.
You're right, you never said that, I tried to make a general question, that pointed to you at the end... and about the second thing, I'm here because I like music from Japan, not because you (all) use or not a "j"... also, I'm not very active here, and I don't like Visual Kei too, but I'm not posting in every threat what I think about them, right?
POISONxIVY said:
I don't need apples, or muppets to understand japcore, but a nice red delicious would be tasty right now.
I was talking about what I was saying in general, not only japcore... again, I'm not good expressing what I think >_<
POISONxIVY said:
The term Japcore is used to refer to a series of fast-paced punk bands, from Japan. The original intent of Japcore, was to protest the social, and economic changes, sweeping Japan. GISM are considered by many, to be the founding fathers of Japcore. Most Japcore artists include elements of crust punk, anarcho punk, & d-beat in their songs, and focus on issues of global warming, disarming nuclear weapons, and corruption caused by capitalism.
Heh, you know what?? I hate wikipedia
it is so contradictory that it makes me get mad... it is correct only until G.I.S.M. (not gism) because they are not a japcore band, and never will be, they were a crossover of hardcore punk and heavy metal. Also, japcore (as it says) is a fast-pace rhythm, and d-beat is a down tempo rhythm... mix them and you get hardcore or crust punk, not Japcore.
Do you want to hear a pure Japcore band?? try Gauze, and compare Pa Pa Pa; Yama Hukaku Yuki Imada Tokez; Ha Wo Kuishibare
or Kao o aratte denaoshite koi songs with Nuclear armed hogs of G.I.S.M. to see what I'm talking about.
But hey, that's not what we are talking about here girl
so if you need more info or something (I doubt it) PM me.
POISONxIVY said:
I just think it is idiotic of you to come to a thread titled Jpop and complain about people using the terms jpop and jrock. Why does it matter if someone says Jrock? Who cares? Do you have nothing better to do than complain about what someone calls a genre of music? I couldn't care less that you use the term japcore, I was just trying to bring it up as a point that you can include jap in front of something, but why can't other people include a j?
I explained the whole "jpop" on a "jpop" forum... and well, maybe you're right that it doesn't matter, but I consider it does matter for things like
THIS... <-- click there if someone don't notice οΎο½¬_οΎο½¬
As I said in the beginning if this post (and also on that threat) some people rejects "jpop" because of the pure tag, not because they are racist or not interested, lots of people have told me that when they hear jpop or j-whatever, sounds like they feel "unique" or "special"... I'm not saying people aren't wrong, but that's what many people who don't know about japanese music think about it.
And for the "core" thing, I said it before: japcore is unique, is only played in Japan, you won't find it easily around the world (only some bands in U.S. are influenced by japcore) because in punk, japanese bands INVENTED it... it is like the brit-pop thing, I guess, it is a particular kind of pop that describes what they play, or something like that
POISONxIVY said:
Why do you have to belittle complete strangers on the internet? You are doing exactly what this thread is talking about, I don't know if that was your initial intentions. Either way you would be well advised to drop it, and leave the forum if it bothers you that much that people say Jrock. Let people express themselves however they want. Here in America we have something called freedom of speech... I like that.
Jrock - Amen.
Hehehehe, I'm not trying to belittle anyone here (and if it looks like, I'm sorry) and I'm not trying to sound like an expert of japanese music... I just like it because I was part of it for a time and that made me love punk and heavy metal from Japan.
And you're right, you have freedom of speech, just as I do, and if my speeches are just offensive for you or anyone else, you have the option of ignore me, as I have ignored most of threats in this forum (like picture threats...)
You can name it j-whatever, I don't have the enough power to make you change your mind, but I also have my reasons why I think what I think, and as I said before to you, I'm not trying to make you think the same way I do, I just came to this threat to say what I think about those tags.
I'll continue on a next post for kinsao, normphobic and nana posts.