LukeSettle
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- 24 Nov 2007
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I was wondering if anyone might know of a complete list of counters?
ありがと！
ありがと！
I have the printouts from a huge site at home....not sure if it's still up but I'll try it when I get back.I was wondering if anyone might know of a complete list of counters?
ありがと！
I have the printouts from a huge site at home....not sure if it's still up but I'll try it when I get back.
And they are probably all around here somewhere too if you search hard enough.
How about forgetting desu/da and making it conditional on the real verb （万一、もし。。。）雨が降ったら、（雨の場合は）試合は中止になるだろう（でしょう）。As for the conditional form "tara/nara", whether "polite" or "plain" depends on the form of the main clause.
e.g.
If it rains tomorow, the game will be cancelled.
Ultra Polite: 明日雨でしたら、試合は中止でございます。 Ashu ame deshitara, shiai wa chuushi de gozaimasu.
Polite: 明日雨だったら/なら、試合は中止です。 Asu ame dattra/nara, shiai wa chuushi desu.
Plain: 明日雨だったら/なら、試合は中止だ。 Asu ame dattara/nara, shiai wa chuushi da.
hope this helps
Probable present/future is "ka mo shirenai" or "Ka mo shiremasen desu ne...
As in:
Ashita, ame ga furu ka mo shirenai.
Its probably going to rain tomorrow.
Probable present/future is "ka mo shirenai" or "Ka mo shiremasen desu ne...
As in:
Ashita, ame ga furu ka mo shirenai.
Its probably going to rain tomorrow.
Ashita, ame ga furanai ka mo shirenai
It's probably not going to rain tomorrow.
たぶん明日は雨になるだろう。（雨が降るだろうと思います。。。）
Depending on how it's phrased, かもしれない can be closer to "may rain tomorrow," than "probably will" although I'm not sure that's a lot weaker or such a huge difference for us as the amateur weatherperson.
雨は降らないだろう（と思います）？？
Ah, that's, as you know, far more complicated. Actually, I intentionally avoided explaining it...How about forgetting desu/da and making it conditional on the real verb （万一、もし。。。）雨が降ったら、（雨の場合は）試合は中止になるだろう（でしょう）。
If they have the rising intonation, they would have that meaning. だろ？(male)/でしょ？(both gender, more at female) are rather commonly used in conversation, though.I think "darou" or "deshou" is like "Right?" or "possibly?" isnt it?
基本的には、「（多分）。。。だろう・でしょう」は「かも知れない」とかなり違うような気がするWow!
This thread started out as a list of counters
I just thought I'd leave my opinion/thinking/wrongness here.
The way I think of ～かもしれません is like "might/may"... ☝
明日雨が降るかもしれません。
It might/may rain tomorrow.
Andd...
The way I think of でしょう/だろう is "probably", and in a question, like "right?", but likee you making sure you're correct sorta.. uhm. like "It's (probably) going to rain. (I'm right, aren't I?)
明日雨が降るでしょう/だろう。
It'll probably rain tomorrow.
明日雨が降るでしょ/だろ？
It's going to rain tomorrow, right?
Please correct me if I'm wrong
XXXかもしれない： much less than 50/50
XXXと思います：much more than 50/50
XXXだろう： more than 50/50
たぶん。。。： between 50-99%
。。。でも、たとえば、英語でも、降水確率は５１％だったら、「pｒｏｂａｂｌｙ］，［ｍａｙｂｅ］という
その二つの表現のうちどちらがよいほうなのか教えることが出来ないですね。
微妙なニュアンスだけの違いで、どちらを使っても間違いじゃない場合がほとんどだと
思いますよね。
これは、もうキチンとしたルールもないし、そのときの状況や言い方で変わってくるので自然に身につけるしかないですね。
どちらにしても、それを言い換えたことによって、文章が極端に不自然になるということはないので、あまり気にしないでください。
Consider it deleted and try to forget. For your viewing convenience.What do you mean by the precentages?
Uhm. If this was directed towards me, could you translate it for me
If not, nevermindI think I get the 1st paragraph, though
Consider it deleted and try to forget. For your viewing convenience.
その例はまずいですね。天気予報は必ずしも当てになる とは限らないので。。。
The reason it was an awkward example is because it is so difficult to use "probably" in connection with the weather forecast unless you're like around 80-90% certain. Of course "I think..." (may be) doesn't always help either...
Right. Perfect.maybe we should'nt use like weather forcast as exmaples then?xD
あの人は、日本人かもしれません。
That person might be Japanese.
あの人は、日本人でしょう。
That person is probably Japanese.
Maybe this would make more sence.,..?
The answer is the above.Also, I have a question~
Can you use 多分 with ～でしょう (or ～かもしれません)？
Like...
おなかがいたいですよ。多分食べすぎたでしょう。
My stomach hurts. I probably just ate too much....
I don't know if you can d that, and I don't know if the past for ~deshou is right, either... But, yeah idk D
Yes, but that becomes practically inevitable, much more likely than the dry weather use of かもしれない which is much below 50/50 probablity.True but I guess if you add maybe "kumori sou da" or something like that maybe you can be a bit more certain ^^; Perhaps I should have put that in my example perhaps.
きょう、曇りそうだから雨が降るかもしれないね。。
Right. Perfect.You can also say あの人は、多分日本人でしょう".
The answer is the above.
But "お腹が痛いんです。多分食べ過ぎたんだと思います。" sounds more natural. "でしょう" is a "guess" form, so hardly used for the fact of the speaker's self in most cases.
多分/ひょっとしたら食べ過ぎたのかもしれません
多分/ひょっとしたら食べ過ぎかもしれません。(in this case, "食べ過ぎ" is the noun.)
These also make sense.
Another way :ありがとう！
Yes, but that becomes practically inevitable, much more likely than the dry weather use of かもしれない which is much below 50/50 probablity.
曇りそう ＝ 曇ってきたようだ ？ 'Looks like it's clouding over' you mean ?
かもしれない in that case carries the same weight as だろう・そうだ:
（直に（も）・いつ何時・やがて。。））雨が降るかも しれない。 (It's going to rain any minute)
あの黒い雲を見てごらん。雨が降りそうだ。(Look at those clouds ! Rain is on the way).
明日の天気がはっきりしない場合には、「天気予報によ ると、あしたは雨だそうです」というような表現がいい と思います。