:blush::bluush:ookubo said:Glenn,
your Chinese is subarashii ,to be honest.
Glenn said::blush::bluush:
Really, it's not all that good. This was pretty basic and I'm still embarassed for my lack of knowledge.
I did learn something new today, though. Apparetnly when you use —¹ with stative verbs (or adjectives) you don't use œk. For example, ‰äœk—Ý is "I am tired," but you wouldn't say ‰äœk—Ý—¹ for "I have become tired"; instead you would say ‰ä—Ý—¹ ("æ'ê'Ä'«'½j. I guess that's only for the "sentence-final —¹," though, and perhaps if you're using the aspect marker —¹ it's a little different. Anyway, that's just one more small piece of the puzzle that became clear to me today. Anyway, thanks for the compiment! "¹‰êŽÓŽÓ (was that even close?)!
Glenn said:† is the usual way of saying it; "ú is more formal.
Yes you can; it's just that the former is much more common.ookubo said:Well,if you use "‰ä2ŒŽ20"ú...",that is OK,but "‰ä2ŒŽ20†..." is better.
HOWEVER:
"When will you be returning to China?"---->"你™{†‰ñ'†'?",in this sentence you cannot say "你™{"ú‰ñ'†'?"
Supervin said:Like I said, '"ú' is just less used in general, particularly in speech, but is perfectly acceptable. So, "¡"V¥2ŒŽ26"ú¯Šú"ú" is standard - there is nothing odd about it in any way. In fact, when it comes to the written language, '"ú' is more preferred as it is more literary and formal.
The two variants are very similar to how the word 'Sunday' is used: it could be either '¯Šú"V' or '¯Šú"ú'. The latter is also used more often in writing.
Look, I'm a native speaker of English, have a mother tongue in Cantonese and have reached native speaker in Mandarin after a number of years. I also have friends in China who grew up there. So I do know what I'm talking about.ookubo said:Sorry,but I think "—ç`"V" is more often used in speech other than "¯Šú"V"
Anyway,I assumed you able to speak MADARIN
I think —ç`"V is used most frequently by Mandarin speakers of Taiwan. In countries like Malaysia and Singapore the Mandarin speakers there usually use ¯Šú"V the most. I am not sure about the mainland.Supervin said:Look, I'm a native speaker of English, have a mother tongue in Cantonese and have reached native speaker in Mandarin after a number of years. I also have friends in China who grew up there. So I do know what I'm talking about.
On the other hand, you don't know what you're talking about.
Mandarin speakers use '¯Šú"V' the most. They also use '¯Šú"ú', '—ç`"V' and '—ç`"ú'.
Cantonese speakers use only '¯Šú"ú' and '—ç`"ú'.
If you carry on with this attitude, I won't waste my time clarifying things for your sake.
Yeah, it's true that Taiwanese Mandarin speakers use '—ç`"V' quite a bit, but I also hear a lot of '¯Šú"V' there as well like in China, Malaysia and Singapore.Minty said:I think —ç`"V is used most frequently by Mandarin speakers of Taiwan.
In countries like Malaysia and Singapore the Mandarin speakers there usually use ¯Šú"V the most. I am not sure about the mainland.
I'm afraid I don't, specifically, and Mona Lisa seems to be the only place I've heard of in Hong Kong.Minty said:Oh by the way you mentioned that Mona Lisa bridal is expensive due to advertising do you know any value for money wedding photography shop in HK?:clueless: