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Tomii515 · 9 May 2006

Glenn said:
Not quite. For "want to do," you have to put the verb in the masu form (習い, in this case), then add たい. So 英語が習いたいですか would be "do you want to learn English." But that's a pretty direct question, so its use is limited. It may be better to say 英語を習いませんか, especially if you're inviting someone to do it and you don't know them too well.

isn't "英語を習いませんか" "You don't learn English?" It doesn't make sence...

okay, to ask a lot of random people, "Do you want to learn English?" would it be:

"英語を習いたいか"?

KrazyKat · 9 May 2006

We make an invitation by using a question phrased in the negative.
maybe you could think of 英語を習いませんか as "won't you learn English?" to help understand it.

When talking to random people we would use polite language. 習いたいですか

Elizabeth · 9 May 2006

Tomii515 said:
isn't "英語を習いませんか" "You don't learn English?" It doesn't make sense...
okay, to ask a lot of random people, "Do you want to learn English?" would it be:
"英語を習いたいか"?

Eigo wo naraitai no desuka ? is fine and expresses an appropriate level of politeness. Just keep in mind other phrasings exist depending on the situation.

If you're in a position of encouraging them to learn "Don't you want to...."
"would you like to" ? than naraimasenka? is appropriate.

Tomii515 · 9 May 2006

英語を習いたいか = Do you ant to learn English?

習いたいか = Do you want to learn?

right? can i use the 1st onee?

KrazyKat · 9 May 2006

KrazyKat said:
When talking to random people we would use polite language. 習いたいですか

Depending on the situation using naraitai desu ka would be less appropriate than naraimasenka.
To translate into Japanese we translate meaning, not words. Where we say 'want to', they won't necessarily use 'tai' in Japanese.

Elizabeth · 9 May 2006

Tomii515 said:
英語を習いたいか = Do you ant to learn English?
習いたいか = Do you want to learn?
right? can i use the 1st onee?

これは、どういうときに使うつもりなんでしょうか。。 (I don't understand how you intend to use this). Are you speaking with a student you're trying to teach who doesn't seem to want to learn English ? Trying to recruit students into a class ? A random person on the street ? Your family or friends ?

Please give a situation for the context and perhaps we can be a little more helpful.

Tomii515 · 9 May 2006

Elizabeth said:
これは、どういうときに使うつもりなんでしょうか。。 (I don't understand how you intend to use this). Are you speaking with a student you're trying to teach who doesn't seem to want to learn English ? Trying to recruit students into a class ? A random person on the street ? Your family or friends ?
Please give a situation for the context and perhaps we can be a little more helpful.

I wanna post this on the Learning English Forum. Soo what would it be?

undrentide · 9 May 2006

Tomii515 said:
英語を習いたいか = Do you ant to learn English?
習いたいか = Do you want to learn?

right? can i use the 1st onee?

I wanna post this on the Learning English Forum. Soo what would it be?

My answer is "NO".

Unless you are talking to very close friends who know you and your habit and manner of speech well, question ending 「～したいか」 sounds as if you're interrogating people, not at all inviting or suggesting.
In other words 「英語を学習したいか」 sounds very rude and a bit threatening, too.

If you would like to invite people to learn English in a friendly atmosphere, not scare them off or offend them, you should use politer expression.

Also in this case, 習う, 勉強する or 学ぶ fits better than 学習する.

英語を勉強しませんか、英語を習いませんか
Won't you learn English?
英語を勉強したくありませんか
Would you like to learn English?

Elizabeth · 9 May 2006

undrentide said:
My answer is "NO".
Unless you are talking to very close friends who know you and your habit and manner of speech well, question ending 「～したいか」 sounds as if you're interrogating people, not at all inviting or suggesting.
In other words 「英語を学習したいか」 sounds very rude and a bit threatening, too.
If you would like to invite people to learn English in a friendly atmosphere, not scare them off or offend them, you should use politer expression.
Also in this case, 習う, 勉強する or 学ぶ fits better than 学習する.
英語を勉強しませんか、英語を習いませんか
Won't you learn English?
英語を勉強したくありませんか
Would you like to learn English?

どうもありがとう、undrentide さん。
「勉強、学ぶ、」のほうが中立的な、独学するかもしれないようなニュアンスがあるのでしょう。
『習い』というのは、「先生と一緒に勉強している」という意味を含んでいると思いました。
でも、使うくらいで普通の会話では、使い分けが難しいですね。

undrentide · 9 May 2006

Elizabeth said:
どうもありがとう、undrentide さん。
「勉強、学ぶ、」のほうが中立的な、独学するかもしれないようなニュアンスがあるのでしょう。
『習い』というのは、「先生と一緒に勉強している」という意味を含んでいると思いました。
でも、使うくらいで普通の会話では、使い分けが難しいですね。

そうですね、「習う」というと誰かから（先生から）教わるということを前提としていると思います。
教えてくれる人の存在を意識したことばですね。
おっしゃるとおり、「勉強する」は本人が勉強することだけに焦点を当てているように思います。
「学ぶ」はふたつの中間くらいかな。私個人の感覚ですけれど。
Ｆｏｒｕｍなどで英語を勉強したい人を募集するなら、当然英語を教えてあげますよ
という意味もあると思ったので「習う」もいいかなと思いました。

Yes, when we use the word 習う, we are aware of the person who teaches.
It is more like "learn from someone (teacher)".
勉強する is more focused on the activity of learning itself.
Maybe 学ぶ is something between these two? It's what I feel myself.

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Tomii515

やった～！

KrazyKat

先輩

Elizabeth

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Tomii515

やった～！

KrazyKat

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Elizabeth

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Tomii515

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undrentide

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Elizabeth

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undrentide

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