Timey said:i'll be doomed if i'd ever been such an ignorant.
some people had all their family members slaughtered back then.who TF has a right to tell them to forget it and move on ? definitely not me,cos iIhappened to know some of them.
Japanese should have a proper attitude and action for their war past and Chinese is ought to stop any blind and extreme anti-Japan activities, both nations should put dialogues and communication on the priority
Japan did apologize, but only on official papers, not from the bottom of the heart, and thats why untill now,
We are reluctant to live in the war-time memories, and we are ready to communicate, ready to extended friendship to our Japanese neighbors, but please remember that its the Japanese, especially the right-wing politicians who first "pour salt on the wound" , and awake Chinese that the two countries used to be enemies.
This is absolutely NOT TRUE,China's issue with Japan mainly circle around WW 2.
ricecake said:Japanese culture is shame-driven NOT guilt-driven as for Chinese and Koreans plus Western people.you can run into a break wall with Japanese when try to explain the meaning of " consciousness " as they have close to zero seemingly.
Hachiro said:...All you are doing is speculating and making generalizations which defeat the points in your posts.
lu_bu1977 said:ricecake does that by referring to past and recent history. It has more referential proof than your own rather verbose and perpetual romanticisation of all things Japanese in these forums.
Sir, having a Japanese wife neither makes you an expert in Sino-Japan relationships, nor endows you with an exceptional and flawless insight into the Japanese psyche, I am afraid.
lu_bu1977 said:ricecake does that by referring to past and recent history. It has more referential proof than your own rather verbose and perpetual romanticisation of all things Japanese in these forums.
And you are here to propagate anti-Japanese sentiments here?ricecake said:* side note ... I suspect you work for a Japanese newspaper,with responsiblility propagate anti-Chinese sentiments in cyberspace.You're one of several dedicated Japanese trolls working tirelessly in both Japanese and Chinese internet forums.
Rocklee said:Ontopic: I think we should end this, don't you think? This is starting to become a "China vs Japan"-thread.
My wife is Japanese, my children are "half" Japanese "half" American, they are living reminders of the atrocities that Japan caused upon my family....yeah right I think not.
nurizeko said:(1)especially if you've never met a single one.
(2)Japans wartime regime doesnt even exist, 60 years dead.
Are there many Chinese members posting here on JRef?
Yes, both the two cultures are admirable, but think of the war atrocities committed by japanese and the general attitude towards the past war in ja-society, who dare say chinese are loving japan?
actually, most people here like japan, not a militarily and politically ambitious japan, but a peace-loving, tolerant japan.
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Why in the heck can't people learn to look to the future instead of constantly living in the past? Does it make you "feel" better as a person to blame an event that happened probably before you were born to justify your hate today?
Question here to our Japanese and Chinese members;
To our Chinese members;
Do you actually KNOW any Japanese people? AND if you do Are they decent or "nice"? OR Are they animal's to be despised and if so WHY do you despise them, because of something they did to you personally or because of something you were taught or told from a history book or teacher?
I personally lost relatives, my Dad's brother's among others during the Pacific War in WWII, that doesn't mean I HATE all Japanese because of an event that happened BEFORE I was born.
My wife is Japanese, my children are "half" Japanese "half" American, they are living reminders of the atrocities that Japan caused upon my family....yeah right I think not.
To those Chinese members and Japanese members out there that are over 60 years old, because the "rest" HAVE NO ACTUAL MEMORY OF ANY ATROCITIES, I ask do you hate the Japanese people so much even today?
OR have you learned that to carry such a hate does nothing but cause you heartburn.
I ASK ALL OF YOU JAPANESE AND CHINESE>>>>"WHERE DOES YOUR HATE COME FROM?" Please explain to me how you can hate a country and it's people for something that YOU are not directly concerned with.?!?!
Dear Hachiro San
I would like to talk to you sincerely and objectively as a global citizen ,not only a Chinese, for fear that we Chinese are probably misundertood as radical nationalists on Japan-related issues. Well, I can assure you that most of time, we are reasonabled.
To your post:
yet in Chinese history MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of people were sacrificed from the hands of the CHINESE people against CHINESE
Yes, neither country is without fault, and I am sorry to say that in the Chinese history there was a time of dog-eat-dog, and things like purge in cultural revolution. that is the past, but we should demand something back, we expect justice and apology. As for the war past, Japan did apologize, but only on official papers, not from the bottom of the heart, and thats why untill now, some right-wing academia deny the facticity of Nanking Massacre, and thats why the prime minister Koizumi enshrined the Yasukuni, and thats
why....You are a American, right? with all due respect. will Americans allow the Al-Qaida to commemorate and enshrine the hijackers on flight 93, no, definitely, The US are at war with Japan for only 4 to 5 years, while Chinese were flighting for 13 years (followed 9.18 incident in 1931 )and in Nanking(then capital of ROC) alone, 200-300 millions lives were taken. please just put yourself in our shoes and think why Chinese cannot tolerant of Koizumi's visit.
....Don't you thing it is time to let history be history?.... Why in the heck can't people learn to look to the future instead of constantly living in the past?
We are reluctant to live in the war-time memories, and we are ready to communicate, ready to extended friendship to our Japanese neighbors, but please remember that its the Japanese, especially the right-wing politicians who first "pour salt on the wound" , and awake Chinese that the two countries used to be enemies.
Do you actually KNOW any Japanese people? AND if you do Are they
decent or "nice"? OR Are they animal's to be despised and if so WHY do you
despise them, because of something they did to you personally or
because of something you were taught or told from a history book or teacher?
I have constant e-mail exchanges with some penpals from Japan, and I have Japanese students there in campus. I do marvel at Japanese for their politeness and orderliness , but I cannot respect Japan as a great nation like Germany, please tell me what great if a nation is ashamed of facing its past histories.The politicians is one things, and the people is Japan is another things, we are born to be educated to believe that most Japanese are peace-loving, and different from those ring-wing politicians. Chinese are not as so anti-japan as you might have thought. Just see how well we cheated the Japanese war prisoners after Japan's surrender, and how we help the Japanese immigrants' evacuation. ordinary Chinese, they didn't know what
Geneva Conventions are all about, they just helped enemies truly as human being and believed that those enemies were also the victims of militarism. We were kindhearted but are hurt half century later. yes I have to mention the incident occured last year about the anti-japan demonstrations, that was a peaceful march, neither student have done anything destructive, later investigation indicated that those who demaged japan-related infrastructure were so called "hooligans" who did so to justify their hate today. Anyway, I am sorry and feel ashamed for their improper behavior.
We should have solutions, and my suggestion is that:
Japanese should have a proper attitude and action for their war past and Chinese is ought to stop any blind and extreme anti-Japan activities, both nations should put dialogues and communication on the priority.