Even in America you can't say it publicly without sounding all high and mighty.There is no good translation for this word respect. For example, in English you can say "please give me the respect I deserve." but in Japanese I have yet to find a good way of saying something like this without sounding all high and mighty(偉そう）. If anyone has a good way of saying this I would love to hear it. Thanks. BTW, I know all the translation for respect and I don't need a "直訳" chokuyaku or literal translation.
The only exception may be exorbitantly over-priced (valued) athletes or other celebrities trying to renegotiate their contracts. People who likely don't have a lot of self-respect to begin with so they like to defer that responsibility to others...
Your answer is a cop out if you ask me, what does this have to do with the translation of the statement? I am asking how someone would go about saying something like this, which is BTW a perfectly fine question to be asked in English, But obviously is quite difficult to be translated. If I go along with your way of thinking , any question I ask to be translated will end up with the same kind of answer, eg if I wanted this translated "What is the thermal conductivity coefficient of metal at high temperatures?" and your answer would be "this is not a language problem but more a problem with physics and the nature of a particular metal. " or if you said to a child "How much icecream do you think you deserve for being good?" agian your answer would be "this is about differing oppinions about how I think the child deserves as oppossed to the child thoughts."
I am talking with one of my staff in this situation. Implying that there needs to be a certain amount of respect shown to ones superiors, especially with the freeshman staff.
I do believe that, but there are times in work situations when this can be said to staff when disrespect is shown to another person. I realise that it is not an expression that is positive and the reciveing end is usually being given a strong talking to. But in some situations (depends on the mindset of the person) this can have a positive effect on someone to pull them back in line when they have gotten out of it. But in Japan, I have never come across a situation where asking someone for respect is positive. I don't know whether it is just not possible or that I just have not been informed yet. I accept if it is not possible to be said, but I still believe in searching all my options when it comes to expressing myself and in return being percieved exactly the way I want to be.Even in America you can't say it publicly without sounding all high and mighty.
Your answer is a cop out if you ask me, what does this have to do with the translation of the statement? I am asking how someone would go about saying something like this, which is BTW a perfectly fine question to be asked in English, But obviously is quite difficult to be translated. If I go along with your way of thinking , any question I ask to be translated will end up with the same kind of answer, eg if I wanted this translated "What is the thermal conductivity coefficient of metal at high temperatures?" and your answer would be "this is not a language problem but more a problem with physics and the nature of a particular metal. " or if you said to a child "How much icecream do you think you deserve for being good?" agian your answer would be "this is about differing oppinions about how I think the child deserves as oppossed to the child thoughts."
Let me rephrase, "Show the respect that your parents deserve." or how about this one "Respect your elders" . Every translation I have come across is always very hard for a native Japanese to understand.
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That's a great answer and it is what can be said about peoples attitudes. However I just can't seem to find how to express myself in regards to respect. I grew up with this word being very important, getting and showing people respect so on and so forth.
Neither have I , but I thought I would ask you guys here and see if it was just me lacking in that department. Believe me ,I have been in many a argument that involves a lack of respect on the their behalf, not necessarily towards me but to patients in general.
If it's towards the patients, like staff is not showing the elderly the particular consideration you see that they are worth or the regard they deserve as paying clientele, I suppose you could use something around 礼儀正しい or 敬意 (pay/show respect to) （私はあなたの上司だからそれ相応に敬意を払わなければならない。） or even 尊重。
どうやって尊敬を得るのですか？ :?
I was assuming more roundabout expressions had been tried and for one reason or another, found ineffective or nonmotivational. If it isn't an issue with wording or cultural communication but with a basic level attitude of your employees, as I'm starting to suspect, that's also quite a different story altogether.like mikawa said, the kind of respect you mentioned are expected from the social order, and are rarely mentioned in conversation. Even when someone needs to be reminded to show respect, the word "respect" probably wouldn't come up. While there are words like 敬老 (respect for the elderly) and 親孝行 (filial piety), In a request to show more respect, I would say something more along the lines of もっと適切(or 丁寧)な言葉で話してください。 I like 適切 because it implies that there is an understood level of politeness that is to be expected, without directly mentioning respect at all.
Of course, it depends on the situation, but it's say, a member of your staff that isn't showing the proper respect to a patient, I might say something like 患者さんと話してるときは、もっと適切な言葉で話しましょうね。 Although I'd have to say that I'd never say "give me the respect I deserve" in either English or Japanese; it just sounds like an invitation to treat me with even less respect
Good on you Mike. Now complaining that I disrespected you when I gave you my oppinion and analogy from your first post without any snide remarks or personal attacks, so I believe I respected your answer however I did not agree with it and said so accordingly, but you replied with me having my panties up my crack in your next post. So yes, why should I take you seriously and show you any respect as you seem to like stirring up trouble from your posts directed to me, like I said before respect is earned ,not automaticaly aplied. Oh and BTW I think the word you are looking for is "petulant ***".
I'm not convinced the core level meaning of the word is that different between the two languages or that a translation is intrinsically culturally nuanced. Native speakers I've asked at least about some of these "respect" expressions have not had any difficulty coming up with viable equivalents.
I'm not convinced the core level meaning of the word is that different between the two languages or that a translation is intrinsically culturally nuanced. Native speakers I've asked at least about some of these "respect" expressions have not had any difficulty coming up with viable equivalents.
The problem is the word simply is not used nearly as much as Japanese for some of the reasons explained above and thus has a very different implication when it is brought out.
1. I don't believe I am insiisting on doing that as I said in my first post "If any one has a good way of saying that I would love to hear it", I am how ever reaching out and using any means to find if there is a better way of useing the word respect in its general meaning.
I don't see the contradictions you're talking about. I said, or maybe I should say meant to stress more emphatically, was that translations were possible, the core meaning of the word didn't necessarily change (based on dictionaries & people I've spoken with) but 'respect' as a term was hardly used in Japanese for the cultural reasons already stated so that it isn't a natural expression.
