hideto_matsumoto_RIP
X Japan & Kagrra,
- 19 Dec 2006
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i don't care....i still think he is good
I want an example! Give me the name of someone that is better then Yoshiki and I'll listen and compare. I'm a very tolerant person, if someone indeed is better I will admit it.Huh?? I don't know, maybe I have more skills than Yoshiki on drums: I find his drum tabs quite poor and repetitive, he uses the same structure over and over... there are maaaany things to criticize, but he has charisma and appeal, that's why he looks like a good drummer, eventhough he isn't.
Have you heard Silent Jealousy intro?? have you heard Dahlia intro?? have you heard Weekend (in the middle part where Toshi sings: "weekend, I still love you") put the 3 songs together and you will hear the same drum redoubling.
That's not being creative, he just recycled lots of tabs... here's where his backup band (yeah, the other music players like Pata) save him with an amazing melody.
Child_prey said:I want an example! Give me the name of someone that is better then Yoshiki and I'll listen and compare. I'm a very tolerant person, if someone indeed is better I will admit it.
Because I can basically give you a long list of drummers that play at the level of a beginner yet they are famous, sell records and etc. and so far, Yoshiki is not on that list.
Not going so far, I think Katsuji from Gargoyle is better than Yoshiki...
And well, I have to do this: the best drummer, the guy that can teach God how to play drums and hey, he is also japanese: AKIRA JIMBO. It's just awesome and crazy how this guy play drums, he creates incredible melodies and songs, and his skills are just unique; no one can play like he does. He is a freak!!!!
If you come and say that Yoshiki is better than Jimbo, I swear I'll go to Sweden and kick you!!!
Not going so far, I think Katsuji from Gargoyle is better than Yoshiki...
And well, I have to do this: the best drummer, the guy that can teach God how to play drums and hey, he is also japanese: AKIRA JIMBO. It's just awesome and crazy how this guy play drums, he creates incredible melodies and songs, and his skills are just unique; no one can play like he does. He is a freak!!!!
Ok, YOSHIKI IS BETTER THEN AKIRA!!!!If you come and say that Yoshiki is better than Jimbo, I swear I'll go to Sweden and kick you!!!
Ok, so here is what I think about Katsuji and Akira:
Katsuji sucks. He is just an average drummer, and I have heard this type of drumming many times. He reminds me somewhat of the drummer in Moi dix mois, accept that the drummer in that band sucks even worse.
Anyway, no, he isn't better then Yoshiki.
Akira is good. And here I am admiting that he is better at drumming when it comes to the technical stuff but he doesn't have what Yoshiki has, that special something that catches your attention. I mean for God sake! His heads almost rips of his neck during lives!!
So yes Akira is good.
But does Akira put his heart and soul into it? Does he destroy his wrists and neck because he lives for the music? I haven't seen any video of Akira playing with a neck brace.
Ok, YOSHIKI IS BETTER THEN AKIRA!!!!
C'mon, Bring it!:box:
I saw Yoshiki yesterday at Bari Bari, and I could see his studio in LA, and his house in LA. Very nice place he got there
Child_prey said:Ok, so here is what I think about Katsuji and Akira:
Katsuji sucks. He is just an average drummer, and I have heard this type of drumming many times. He reminds me somewhat of the drummer in Moi dix mois, accept that the drummer in that band sucks even worse.
Anyway, no, he isn't better then Yoshiki.
Child_prey said:Akira is good.
Child_prey said:And here I am admiting that he is better at drumming when it comes to the technical stuff but he doesn't have what Yoshiki has, that special something that catches your attention. I mean for God sake! His heads almost rips of his neck during lives!!
Child_prey said:So yes Akira is good.
But does Akira put his heart and soul into it? Does he destroy his wrists and neck because he lives for the music? I haven't seen any video of Akira playing with a neck brace.
Child_prey said:Ok, YOSHIKI IS BETTER THEN AKIRA!!!!
C'mon, Bring it!:box:
hideto_matsumoto_RIP said:i totaly agree...so SaKeVi you better come to Norway too...it's not so far from Sweden you know...so i can yhoop your candy *** for talking ugly about Yoshiki...
JoRuDeNnA said:I only hope SaKeVi doesnt want to kick me too because Im way closer to him than you guys
Tack tacki totaly agree...so SaKeVi you better come to Norway too...it's not so far from Sweden you know...so i can yhoop your candy *** for talking ugly about Yoshiki...:box:
I remember seeing his gigantic house on a clip I found on YouTube. It is...very whiteI saw Yoshiki yesterday at Bari Bari, and I could see his studio in LA, and his house in LA. Very nice place he got there
Um.. so you don't think he is that great..? And since you don't you admire him even more? ☝ That doesn't make much sense to me but I might have just misunderstood you there...hideto_matsumoto_RIP & Child_prey-> I mean I cant believe that almost everyone that likes X-Japan believes Yoshiki san is great when he isnt ☝ , my brain cant really understand that, and as I said before I admire Yoshiki too much to believe such things
Oh please :snore:You used an extra "o", it's god
I mean the way Yoshiki trashes his head around during liveshuh??
NO! Not until I see his head rolling of his body down on the floor then maybe MAYBE I will give him the official title Kick *** Drummer Of The WorldAkira puts his heart and soul on it: he is a jazz fusion drummer!!!
Now see that just made me sad. There is a huge difference between someone who uses their body and soul to create music even though it costs them their health they refuse to stop and give in to their emotions, and somebody who is purely psycho!!Here I will disagree with you at all!!! the fact that Yoshiki didn't know how to administrate his energy on stage doesn't make him a good drummer, neither breaking his neck on stage... if that were true, Hanatarash would be the biggest star of all times*
So, this guy was going to kill himself on stage... so I assume that he is better than Yoshiki =P
Child_prey said:NO! Not until I see his head rolling of his body down on the floor then maybe MAYBE I will give him the official title Kick *** Drummer Of The World
I want to see him bleeeed!!
Besides, I alreday admited that Akira is better... It's just that Akira reminds me of a drummer teacher while Yoshiki is a proper Rockstar.
Child_prey said:Now see that just made me sad. There is a huge difference between someone who uses their body and soul to create music even though it costs them their health they refuse to stop and give in to their emotions, and somebody who is purely psycho!!
Right, so this dude wanted to commit suicide on stage, that would probably take other lives as well since he was going to use a bomb. As far as I know, Yoshikis neck injuries didn't threaten other people.
People like Hanatarash should be locked in a lunatic asylum forever.
He probably has sometype of psychosis, didn't get along with his parents, tortured animals as a child, tried to burn down buildings...
Clearly, not a well person and should have been kept of the stage.
even as a X fan, i've to agree that all the live shows after their name change is pretty much the same: stage wise, performance wise, set list wise...some times u really wonder why?How about my X covers chimp project?? they'll trash their head for sure after I give them some coffee, and I'm sure my drummer will play just as Yoshiki did, but probably fangirls wouldn't scream him "kawaii" during Chimps-Japan tour =/
Hanatarash was unique, and hey, his drummer was better than Yoshiki too!! why?? he had a little thing called improvisation =P
I'm still stick to my opinion: Yoshiki is repetitive to death!!! not only with his music, the way he behaved was repetitive and boring too!!
It's just so sad to realize that from 1989 to 1997, you see the same performance on stage, with the same music and the same routine... and I'm not fooling around with this, I've seen way maaany X live shows and unfortunately in the end I was dissapointed when I realized I was watching the same stuff over and over (and over...)
That's why I'm just stuck in their indie era, you know why?? because when you see their early shows, you are looking to different shows actually: when they threw up inflate dolls to audience, when they "spit fire" on stage, when Hikaru showed up and threw water to audience with a fire extinguisher (that's where he came up with that, somebody in X did that before) and many more things that made X that famous...
Suddenly Mr. Marketing just erased that forever, and became a boring guy that actually didn't know how to play drums at all, I don't know why, but I'm just not impressed with him shaking his head on stage, that's just crap.
Anyways, he found the chicken of the golden eggs: lame music, lame performance, but a pretty drummer and a charismatic guitar player who had tons of fans...
Yoshiki sucks to dead!!
SorryChild_prey-> yeah you probably missunderstood me, I think Yoshiki San is awsomeI admire him very much
I have read through this thread and for some reason you all seem so upset with the fact that X did a lot of marketing. For one, that is how you get attention and earn a huge amount of money. I can understand that it may seem that in that way they sold their souls and all they cared about were fancy cars and filling their bank acounts. Mind you, X was very inspired by KISS who where the fathers of marketing Rock. They started the whole put-your-bands-name-on-anything-that-might-sell roller coaster and by that time it was almost fashionable to do so. But my point is; Does it really matter?I知 still stick to my opinion: Yoshiki is repetitive to death!!! not only with his music, the way he behaved was repetitive and boring too!!
It痴 just so sad to realize that from 1989 to 1997, you see the same performance on stage, with the same music and the same routine... and I'm not fooling around with this, I'e seen way maaany X live shows and unfortunately in the end I was dissapointed when I realized I was watching the same stuff over and over (and over...)
That's why I'm just stuck in their indie era, you know why?? because when you see their early shows, you are looking to different shows actually: when they threw up inflate dolls to audience, when they 敗pit fire・on stage, when Hikaru showed up and threw water to audience with a fire extinguisher (that's where he came up with that, somebody in X did that before) and many more things that made X that famous...
Suddenly Mr. Marketing just erased that forever, and became a boring guy that actually didn't know how to play drums at all, I don't know why, but I'm just not impressed with him shaking his head on stage, that's just crap.
Anyways, he found the chicken of the golden eggs: lame music, lame performance, but a pretty drummer and a charismatic guitar player who had tons of fans...
Yoshiki sucks to dead!!
Child_prey said:I have read through this thread and for some reason you all seem so upset with the fact that X did a lot of marketing. For one, that is how you get attention and earn a huge amount of money. I can understand that it may seem that in that way they sold their souls and all they cared about were fancy cars and filling their bank acounts. Mind you, X was very inspired by KISS who where the fathers of marketing Rock. They started the whole put-your-bands-name-on-anything-that-might-sell roller coaster and by that time it was almost fashionable to do so. But my point is; Does it really matter?
Child_prey said:I would also protest if that meant that X started to create bad music and just cared about money but that isn稚 the case now is it?! When it comes to their music they reached far beyond what others did, they created some of the best pieces I have ever heard in my life. If they wanted to make some extra money, whatever! That痴 their choice! It would only become a problem if it came in the way of the most important thing; The music.
Child_prey said:Also, everyone blames Yoshiki for it, he is Satan in disguise and it is his fault that they put their name on Curry. What did the others say? If they hated it they would object and for ex, quit the band but they didn稚 seem to mind it that much. I mean c知on! Even hide apeared in a cell-phone commercial!!
It is wrong to blame everything on Yoshiki, since he is the leader but the others aren稚 exactly made of wood, they had a choice. You hear so much about that the rest of the X members had hardly anything to say about anything, which is ridiculous, did Yoshiki steer them like puppets? They lastet for quite a while, if they were that miserable they would have left a long time ago. These are full-grown men we are talking about! Yes, Yoshiki is driven. Yes, he runs things with an iron hand. He is a tough leader but if he wasn稚, things would have fallen apart and they would have never been this succesful!
As I said, there was nothing that stopped the others from leaving X and joining some other band or starting their own.
Child_prey said:Oh and this migh shock you, their looks mean...absolutely nothing to me.
Sure, Yoshiki had scored the pretty hair DNA gene and displayed it with those long curls of his and hide was pretty cute but those who base their 嚢-japan love and OhmyGod-I知-just-such-a-X-fan-forever-love-is-just-wonderful・on their appereance aren稚 worth mentioning because those aren稚 real fans.
Has it ever ocured to you that there are people out there who really do like their music and not the dresses they wore? So 廃retty drummer and a charismatic guitar player who had tons of fans・.. I don稚 know what you are talking about.
Child_prey said:And I would like to take this oppertunity to end this discussion about wether Yoshiki is a sucky drummer or not. YOU don稚 like him but I do. Fair enough. It痴 a free world. The End.
His mother loved him very much and that shows what good taste she has since she sold their business in order for him to succeed. Did he fail perhaps?Well, Yoshiki was influenced by punk in his early years, and he was also inspired with Loudness, Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin... it seems that somewhere in his life, his choice was making a lot of money, and if you want a clue to find this out, his family sold everything just to make "his dream" come true.
I don't blame him at all, after all, his mother sold everything they had just to make Extasy Records be true, and one day, he had to "pay back" that "loan", even if he just had to show his own balls in a TV commercial.
Right, you just proved my point. They didn't have a gun to their head, they quit or started other projects.can't make you change your mind, but there's a HUGE fact that you probably ignore:
- Others had a choice too, that's why X had like 20 members before 1987...
- Taiji had his choice and joined Loudness after he left X; that man kicks *ss, he didn't forget his early punk influences and just did whatever he wanted to do, and he refused to be just a back up musician on stage for Yoshiki's pleasure.
- Toshi had his choice too, and now we have thousands of fans f*cking him because he wanted to do what he wants... I explained why Toshi left the band (by his OWN words) and hey: he left X because he was a puppet in there!!! he couldn't sing what he felt, but what Yoshiki's "feelings" were at that time.
- hide had his choice too: he started his own solo career with his own music point of view... he didn't left X because he was an awesome musician and was very thankful with the BAND that put him in mainstream. This will be very risky, but I think that HE WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO WAS SAD AFTER X DISBANDED.
- Pata?? He stayed in X just because hide was there. He was a very close friend of hide since 80's and supported him to death everywhere, that's why he helped hide on his solo tours as a guitarrist, and after X disbanded he played with Spread beaver too... and hey, Pata wasn't going to be in X, he joined X because the other guitarrist had an accident before a show (he was better than Pata) and X needed a guitar player; so, hide called Pata to help them and that's why he stayed there. That would be very rude if Pata left the band after he joined them like he did.
- Heath?? another hide's friend that joined the band just because Taiji didn't take anymore Yoshiki's behave...
Well no I didn't go to their concerts. When they were touring I was still playing in the sandbox and learning the alphabet. Or busy with basically..being bornThat you probably didn't go to their concerts, where those fans were the ones that sold out the shows, where you can hear those b*tches screaming "Yoshikiiiiii" every minute on their tapes, videos and DVD's... he knew that, and gave them what they wanted.
hide is a marketing boy, and I don't complain about that, I really like him because he had the same attitude his entire music career, he didn't lie ever, he behaved the same way everytime, everywhere... a congruent person, that's why I like him a lot.
Child_prey said:His mother loved him very much and that shows what good taste she has since she sold their business in order for him to succeed. Did he fail perhaps?
Child_prey said:Right, you just proved my point. They didn't have a gun to their head, they quit or started other projects.
Child_prey said:Toshi..ah yes Toshi... I'm not one of them that hates him because "he split up X". In fact, I have never liked him. He isn't a likable person and I might imagine that I feel about Toshi what you feel about Yoshiki. He is an average singer but I suppose I should thank Yoshiki for making him the singer and therefore stoping Toshi from becoming a doctor. the thought of him examining you...*shivers and throws up*. Good Job Yoshiki!
Child_prey said:And if he hated being in X and still stayed then I'm sorry, but he is one hell of a weak man for not being able to walk away after more then 10 years of "suffering".
.In the end, all of us made them what they are now: a legendary band.